Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
hows the second investigation shaping up cretinrot?
Who knows, maybe the same reason you will never see broadcasts like the last video posted on american TV perhaps?
Wake up you idiot.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by culorut
Who knows, maybe the same reason you will never see broadcasts like the last video posted on american TV perhaps?
Wake up you idiot.
hey, you're such an expert why don't you try writing it yourself? i can proof-read it for you beforehand to fix your spelling if you'd like.
i mean, you're an expert on demolitions, aviation, crash scene investigation, physics and structural engineering. surely you could contribute in many important ways.
you might also consider starting a "free KSM" movement, to free the man wrongly charged with the crimes of 911?
Krypton
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Originally posted by culorut
Nah just fukin with your head again.
nah, just lookin stupid. Still waiting for details on the conspiracy you'r always crying about.
Shakka
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Originally posted by culorut
In all fairness a 737 is not equal to a gutted out toy car and besides if AA flight 77 did crash into the Pentagon they should not have a problem showing it.
Of course there are always those surveillance tapes that where so ever quickly confiscated.
Nothing to hide? I call BULL.
Uh, did nothing I wrote compute?
I'm sure it was written on pages 8, 45, 84, 98, 145 and other places in this retarded thread, but why is there an assumption among the CTs that there is a security camera aimed on every possible vantage point of every possible locale, filming non-stop HD footage? If that were the case the memory/storage business would be through the roof I tell ya.
Based on the only available footage I've seen that shows 3 second frame shots (amazingly, the same kind of security camera we used at the bank I worked at back in 2000), my point was that at 520mph, a fraction of a second is more than enough time for an object to move completely through the field of view (i.e. "if you blink you could miss it."). Did you even watch the video for perspective or just decide that you don't want to engage in rational thought processes?
colonelcrisp
I cant believe this still gets bumped.... i would be curious to see how the poll would change if people had the ability to change their original votes.
culorut
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Originally posted by Shakka
Uh, did nothing I wrote compute?
I'm sure it was written on pages 8, 45, 84, 98, 145 and other places in this retarded thread, but why is there an assumption among the CTs that there is a security camera aimed on every possible vantage point of every possible locale, filming non-stop HD footage? If that were the case the memory/storage business would be through the roof I tell ya.
Based on the only available footage I've seen that shows 3 second frame shots (amazingly, the same kind of security camera we used at the bank I worked at back in 2000), my point was that at 520mph, a fraction of a second is more than enough time for an object to move completely through the field of view (i.e. "if you blink you could miss it."). Did you even watch the video for perspective or just decide that you don't want to engage in rational thought processes?
Assumption? You are kidding right? This is the Pentagon we are talking about, it has numerous and much better frame per second cameras installed covering every last inch of the property. It is the most secure building in the whole world. I have over 12 cameras installed in just one of my business locations and you are trying to tell me they do not have better in the Pentagon?
Let me guess the official 9/11 commission never bothered to look into it so the cameras must not exist for the fairy tale believers. :rolleyes:
To correct you there are 85 TAPES in all that were confiscated.
FBI Withholding 84 More Tapes of Pentagon on 9/11
The FBI is withholding at least another 84 surveillance tapes that were seized in the immediate aftermath of the attack on the Pentagon.
There is an ongoing lawsuit to get these tapes released via the Freedom of Information Act. The FBI has admitted in a statement to attorney, Scott Hodes, representative of Mr Scott Bingham who runs the website http://www.flight77.info/, that they have these tapes, that they have already analyzed them and are still keeping them under lock and key.
A great deal of speculation has surrounded reports that on the morning of september 11th, 2001 the FBI visited two private businesses near the pentagon and confiscated several security camera video tapes.
The first is said to be the Cigto gas station with several security cameras aimed in the direction of the pentagon. Flight 77 flew directly over the gas station at an altitude of roughly 50 feet, less than 3 seconds from impact.
Three months after 9/11 The National Geographic and others reported on this, publishing short interviews with the gas station owner, Jose Velasquez.
"His gas station, open only to Department of Defense personnel, is the last structure between the Pentagon and the hillside that, hours later, would become a wailing knoll. "By the time I got outside all I could see was a giant cloud of smoke, first white then black, coming from the Pentagon," he said. "It was just a terrible, terrible thing to be so close to."
"Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film."
The second business was initially believed to be the Sheraton National Hotel which overlooks I395 and the Pentagon. Initial reports pointed out that hotel staff had sat watching the video surveillance in horror before the FBI arrived and shut down the scene.
However, according to FBI statements in response to the FOIA request from Mr Bingham, The hotel in question was not the Sheraton but was in fact the Doubletree in Arlington, VA. AND this video did not capture the impact of the flight. (Maguire, page 7)
According to the same document, the Citgo gas station video DOES NOT show flight 77 impacting the pentagon either. (Maguire, page 6, item 15)
If this is the case then why did the FBI confiscate the gas station and hotel security videos within minutes of the crash and why haven't they subsequently released these videos?
According to a CNN FOIA request however, the nearby hotel's video DID capture the impact. The following exchange is from a CNN transcript of a report on the 2002 release of the original four frames of Pentagon footage:
MCINTYRE (on camera): These pictures are the first to be made public, but they are not the only images of the plane hitting the Pentagon. Sources tell CNN that the FBI on September 11th confiscated a nearby hotel's security camera videotape, which also captured the attack. So far, the Justice Department has refused to release that videotape. Aaron.
BROWN: Why? Do we have any idea why they won't release it?
MCINTYRE: Well, the claim - we have filed a freedom of information request for it. They claim that it might provide some intelligence to somebody else who might want to do harm to the United States. But officials I talked to here at the Pentagon say they don't see any national security or criminal value to that tape. The FBI tends to hold on to things. But the government may eventually release that tape, and if they do, we'll bring it to you.
BROWN: Jamie, thanks. I must have missed something in how, where the intelligence possibilities are there, but that happens with me sometimes. Thank you for your work today, nice job.
Whichever story you believe, whether the footage does or does not show the impact, the fact that the footage exists is not denied. So something does not tally up here. Both FOIA requests were denied yet we have one FOIA request denial saying the footage does not show the impact, yet a second FOIA request denial saying it does show the impact.
Furthermore, if the footage does not show the impact, we have to ask the question why is the Justice department still withholding it under national security laws?
Now the trial of Zacarious Moussaoui is over, this can also no longer be cited as reason to keep footage under wraps, as was proven yesterday with the release of the extended grainy film to Judicial Watch.
According to the FBI 7 page Maguire statement, of the 85 confirmed tapes seized, only the one released yesterday shows the impact. How unlikely is it that out of another 84 confirmed surveillance tapes directed at the building, none of them captured anything?
After determining that only 13 of the 85 had footage of the crash site, the FBI states that 12 of these only show footage AFTER the impact of flight 77. WHY? Did someone forget to turn them on? ALL TWELEVE OF THEM?
Furthermore how unlikely is it that in Washington DC there were only 13 cameras pointing in the general direction of the most surveilled building in the world? The area is littered with buildings and roads that have their own surveillance systems, in addition to the pentagon itself - does the sole world superpower's military HQ only have a couple of cameras at the front gate?
You can even view live feeds of footage from the Pentagon online right now. The Virginia Department of Transportation (VDOT) CCTV system used to manage the Northern Virginia freeway network had cameras in place that observed the September 11 crash site at the Pentagon. This CCTV system and the VDOT Smart Traffic Center were used as a command center for emergency responders and cleanup and recovery crews following the incident.
View VDOT light pole traffic cams at: TrafficLand Find A Camera (See cameras: ON WASHINGTON BLVD @ I-395 and ON WASHINGTON BLVD @ Pentagon/I-395 and ON WASHINGTON BLVD E @ I-395)
The reason given for the fact that these cameras did not get the impact is because there was no film in them.
"No one can say for sure why the FBI is reluctant to release the videos. it could just be a matter of policy, or it could have to do - as many suspect - with the notion that keeping the videos from the public is helping to fuel wild conspiracy theories. these theories - that no 757 hit the pentagon - helps discredit the 9/11 truth movement in general, and keeps people's focus away from such topics as WTC building 7."
We are in agreement with Mr Bingham. For over four years we at Infowars and Prisonplanet have remained neutral on the subject of flight 77, agreeing that unanswered questions need to be explored but warning against the Pentagon issue becoming the core focus of the 9/11 truth movement.
The danger is clearly that the government will use its media mouthpieces in particular Fox News to hype this until it becomes the de facto keystone of alternative explanations behind 9/11. At the point when that crescendo reaches its peak crystal clear footage of Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon will be released, knocking down the straw man argument that the establishment itself erected.
culorut
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I cant believe this still gets bumped.... i would be curious to see how the poll would change if people had the ability to change their original votes.
I believe someone already tried this and the results where much worse for the official story, not that it is not taking a beating presently either in here.
Moongoose
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Originally posted by Shakka
Uh, did nothing I wrote compute?
I'm sure it was written on pages 8, 45, 84, 98, 145 and other places in this retarded thread, but why is there an assumption among the CTs that there is a security camera aimed on every possible vantage point of every possible locale, filming non-stop HD footage? If that were the case the memory/storage business would be through the roof I tell ya.
Thats what you get for having a dozen CSI like shows on the TV. Now every idiot thinks that every security camera is shooting in full hd mode, but if doesnt for whatever reason you can simply zoom in on a video footage and run a simple two step algorithm and it will be magically clear just like if it was actually shot in full hd.
ogvh5150
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Originally posted by Krypton
Exactly, you don't know what the you'r talking about? Or just can't answer the questions?
I know who the they are. Obviously you don't.
They live by revelation by obfuscation. Hidden in plain site. The they exist but they deny they exist in order to continue making people believe they are not in control.
They are not in the G7, G8 or G20. They go to Bildeberg meetings and really tell you how is gonna pan out while you watch TMZ, visit TA or watch the latest viral video on utube and think that's the real world arguing three things; tastes good, tastes bad or not eating the . At the same time enlisting people to prey on the web in Langley.
They lie naked in coffins praying to the Green Man and make you believe that people like me are nuts.
But go on in your safe little world knowing that they will never hurt you. The only thing I can do to you is hurt your feelings. Whilst they want you to experience a slight case of death because they believe this is their world and your vermin on their lil' green and blue orb of a planet.
Because the THEY will have the best of you.
Lebezniatnikov
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Originally posted by ogvh5150
I know who the they are. Obviously you don't.
They live by revelation by obfuscation. Hidden in plain site. The they exist but they deny they exist in order to continue making people believe they are not in control.
They are not in the G7, G8 or G20. They go to Bildeberg meetings and really tell you how is gonna pan out while you watch TMZ, visit TA or watch the latest viral video on utube and think that's the real world arguing three things; tastes good, tastes bad or not eating the . At the same time enlisting people to prey on the web in Langley.
They lie naked in coffins praying to the Green Man and make you believe that people like me are nuts.
But go on in your safe little world knowing that they will never hurt you. The only thing I can do to you is hurt your feelings. Whilst they want you to experience a slight case of death because they believe this is their world and your vermin on their lil' green and blue orb of a planet.
Because the THEY will have the best of you.
Quoted so you can never take this back.
:stongue: :stongue: :stongue:
culorut
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Quoted so you can never take this back.
:stongue: :stongue: :stongue:
There is nothing to take back, it is the reality. Deny it if you want but many presidents and many high ranking persons are a part of secret societies. Bush even wrote it in his autobiography that he was a member of Skull and Bones, that makes three generations just in his family alone. And if you think Skull and Bones is a tame bunch of individuals then you need to read, a whole lot.
The Order of Skull and Bones
Skull and Bones is the most well known of the secret societies based at Yale University. It was founded in 1832 by William Huntington Russell and Alphonso Taft, two students who were not admitted into Phi Beta Kappa at Yale University, in New Haven, Connecticut.
The first Skull and Bones class, or "cohort", was in 1833. Skull and Bones is known by many names, including The Order of Death, The Order, The Eulogian Club, and Lodge 322. Initiates are most commonly known as Bonesmen, Knights of Eulogia, and Boodle Boys.
The females who have recently been permitted to become members would be known as Boneswomen, Ladies of Eulogia, and Boodle Girls.In public, its corporate name is the Russell Trust Association. In 1999 it had assets of $4,133,246.
Skull and Bones is the only secret society known to have a summer home and its own private island. This private island, one of the Thousand Islands lying in gray territorial area between the United States and Canada, was given to the Order by one of its early mysterious benefactor families who was associated with the secret society.
Differences between Skull and Bones and other fraternities
Skull and Bones is different from other semi-secretive fraternities and sororities on several points. First, its current membership rosters are a secret to the public, as well as its activities. Second, it is what is called a "senior society," in that only upcoming seniors are inducted into the secret society only for one year prior to graduation. Third, members have a history of committing crimes to further The Order. Whether these crimes are part of the initiation or simply as a mutual encouragement of peer pressure, is unknown. For instance, grave-robbing has been committed on several occasions.
The Skull and Bones Tomb was rumored to hold Geronimo's skull, which inspired Native American activist and Apache chief Ned Anderson to try to force a search and a DNA test. He would face many obstacles. As a Yale student in 1918, Prescott Bush, former Connecticut Senator, father of President George H. W. Bush and grandfather to President George W. Bush, had dug up the skull himself with two other students from its federal burial ground at Fort Sill, Oklahoma and presented it as a gift to the fraternity.
The FBI refused to enter the fray unless Anderson removed himself from the investigation and turned over any evidence he had, an offer Anderson refused. Anderson then claimed, with several pieces of evidence, that he had met with Jonathan Bush, the brother of then-Vice-President George H. W. Bush, who presented the infamous skull.
The skull was impossibly small, and is assumed to be of a child. Anderson then publicized the meeting, adding that the skull was not the one of Skull and Bones fame. A bonesman was quoted as saying about the incident, "We still call it Geronimo".
The New Haven Tomb is rumored in Yale's own magazine to hold the skulls of Pancho Villa and Che Guevara as well. Fourth, The Order inspires occasionally a fanatical loyalty. Members have been known to stab the Bones insignia into their flesh to keep it on them while showering or swimming.
Both John Kerry and George W. Bush are members of Skull and Bones. Bush refused to talk about their common membership in the Order of Death during his February 9, 2004 appearance on NBC's Meet The Press.
In another interview, when Kerry was in turn asked what could he reveal about Skull and Bones, Kerry said: "Well not much, because it's a secret... Sorry, I wish there was something I could manifest..." and then quickly changed the subject. Bush appointed 11 Skull and Bones members to his Administration in his first term.
