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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 28)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by donnybrasco
I'm WAY more \"Articulate\" than Trancer..and you for that matter. :D |
thats a negative on both counts. but thanks for playing!! |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
I had to comment to trancer-x....he is the most delusional person on this board....he would beleive his mother is part of a body snatching scheme originating from the planet Crazy Pants if he could find one web page that said so...he is the classic example of someone who beleive everything he reads in the internet...he is insane..and i do not mean insane in a facetious way...i mean insane, as in he should be commited or on serious medication...he proballey sits home each and every day sifting through evidence, meanwhile dismissing all evidence contrary to his beleif, to find one flaw in everything...he most likely has no friends and likes to sit in the dark....surely has disdain for everyone who doesnt agree with him and feels he is the most intellectual human being to walk this earth, apart from the quacks who post the web sites for him to uncover the "TRUTH"...his weekend nights consist of reading Chomsky and Zinn and writing letters to William Blum while watching the Discoveriy channels TRUE expose on Roswell, New Mexico..altering between that and the History channels proof that Lyndon Johnson had a part in the JFK assasination...he seldom leaves his house and when he does he looks at everyone as a sheep but keeps his head down because secrelty he wants to be wanted...yet he knows he can never find anyone as intellectual and unblinded as himself...so he will end up writing a book about all his conspiracies and how he found the truth but no one will buy it, exceot of course the other nuts who also know jsut where to look for their secret information...here i will give you a hint..it starts with www....he is a scarey individual and will probally post in repsonce to this that i am uneducated, have my head my ass, blinded and .or stupid...he predictable and will never truly be happy...regardless of what he tells you he is sad inside and very lonely...trancer will you be my Valentine? |
That's hilarious! You ran out of names to call me so you had to create some more elaborate BS to spew in order to try and insult me. Well, I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but my skin is much too thick for your half-witted barbs to pierce. :p |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
no credibal person on this planet takes the 9.11 conspirqacy seriously |
Experts Claim Official 9/11 Story is a Hoax
Mon Jan 30, 11:37 AM ET
(PRWEB) - Duluth, MN (PRWEB) January 30, 2006 -- A group of distinguished experts and scholars, including Robert M. Bowman, James H. Fetzer, Wayne Madsen, John McMurtry, Morgan Reynolds, and Andreas von Buelow, have concluded that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11.
They have joined with others in common cause as members of "Scholars for 9/11 Truth" (S9/11T), because they are convinced, based on their own research, that the administration has been deceiving the nation about critical events in New York and Washington, D.C.
These experts suggest these events may have been orchestrated by elements within the administration to manipulate Americans into supporting policies at home and abroad they would never have condoned absent "another Pearl Harbor."
They believe that this White House is incapable of investigating itself and hope the possibility that Congress might hold an unaccountable administration accountable is not merely naive or wishful thinking.
They are encouraging news services around the world to secure scientific advice by taking advantage of university resources to verify or to falsify their discoveries. Extraordinary situations, they believe, require extraordinary measures.
If this were done, they contend, one of the great hoaxes of history would stand naked before the eyes of the world and its perpetrators would be clearly exposed, which may be the only hope for saving this nation from ever greater abuse.
They hope this might include The New York Times, which, in their opinion, has repeatedly failed to exercise the leadership expected from our nation's newspaper of record by a series of inexplicable lapses. It has failed to vigorously investigate tainted elections, lies leading to the war in Iraq, or illegal NSA spying on the American people, major unconstitutional events. In their view, The Times might compensate for its loss of stature by helping to reveal the truth about one of the great turning-point events of modern history.
Stunning as it may be to acknowledge, they observe, the government has brought but one indictment against anyone and, to the best of their knowledge, has not even reprimanded anyone for incompetence or dereliction of duty. The official conspiracy theory--that nineteen Arab hijackers under control of one man in the wilds of Afghanistan brought this about--is unsupportable by the evidential data, which they have studied. They even believe there are good reasons for suspecting that video tapes officially attributed to Osama bin Laden are not genuine.
They have found the government's own investigiation to be severely flawed. The 9/11 Commission, designated to investigate the attack, was directed by Philip Zelikow, part of the Bush transition team in the NSA sector and the co-author of a book with Condoleezza Rice. A Bush supporter and director of national security affairs, he could hardly be expected to conduct an objective and impartial investigation.
They have discovered that The 9/11 Commission Report is replete with omissions, distortions, and factual errors, which David Ray Griffin has documented in his book, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions. The official report, for example, entirely ignores the collapse of WTC7, a 47-story building, which was hit by no airplanes, was only damaged by a few small fires, and fell seven hours after the attack.
Here are some of the kinds of considerations that these experts and scholar find profoundly troubling:
- In the history of structural engineering, steel-frame high-rise buildings have never been brought down due to fires either before or since 9/11, so how can fires have brought down three in one day? How is this possible?
- The BBC has reported that at least five of the nineteen alleged "hijackers" have turned up alive and well living in Saudi Arabia, yet according to the FBI, they were among those killed in the attacks. How is this possible?
- Frank DeMartini, a project manager for the WTC, said the buildings were designed with load redistribution capabilities to withstand the impact of airliners, whose effects would be like "puncturing mosquito netting with a pencil." Yet they completely collapsed. How is this possible?
- Since the melting point of steel is about 2,700*F, the temperature of jet fuel fires does not exceed 1,800*F under optimal conditions, and UL certified the steel used to 2,000*F for six hours, the buildings cannot have collapsed due to heat from the fires. How is this possible?
- Flight 77, which allegedly hit the building, left the radar screen in the vicinity of the Ohio/Kentucky border, only to "reappear" in very close proximity to the Pentagon shortly before impact. How is this possible?
- Foreign "terrorists" who were clever enough to coordinate hijacking four commercial airliners seemingly did not know that the least damage to the Pentagon would be done by hitting its west wing. How is this possible?
- Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, in an underground bunker at the White House, watched Vice President Cheney castigate a young officer for asking, as the plane drew closer and closer to the Pentagon, "Do the orders still stand?" The order could not have been to shoot it down, but must have been the opposite. How is this possible?
- A former Inspector General for the Air Force has observed that Flight 93, which allegedly crashed in Pennsylvania, should have left debris scattered over an area less than the size of a city block; but it is scattered over an area of about eight square miles. How is this possible?
- A tape recording of interviews with air traffic controllers on duty on 9/11 was deliberately crushed, cut into very small pieces, and distributed in assorted places to insure its total destruction. How is this possible?
- The Pentagon conducted a training exercise called "MASCAL" simulating the crash of a Boeing 757 into the building on 24 October 2000, and yet Condoleezza Rice, among others, has repeatedly asserted that "no one ever imagined" a domestic airplane could be used as a weapon. How is this possible?
Their own physics research has established that only controlled demolitions are consistent with the near-gravity speed of fall and virtually symmetrical collapse of all three of the WTC buildings. While turning concrete into very fine dust, they fell straight-down into their own footprints.
These experts and scholars have found themselves obliged to conclude that the 9/11 atrocity represents an instance of the approach--which has been identified by Karl Rove, the President's closest adviser--of "creating our own reality."
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UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA
James Fetzer
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/prweb/20060...b/prweb339303_5
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by skot_e
TrancerX
I read that link about the building's being cracked and I just couldn't help but think as I read that it was written as a creative piece. Then I got to this bit:
William spent hours testifying before the 9-11 Commission behind closed doors. His testimony as an eye witness does not appear anywhere in the 576 page report. But after all, Bush told us who did it, so why bother to examine the evidence or talk with the witnesses. The only agency that was allowed to investigate the circumstances of the event was FEMA.
Now, if someone appeares as a witness, then surely they would HAVE to be in the report. I just can't imagine the report by the 9/11 commision would be edited to suit the govt. Isn''t the commision made up from both democrats and republicans? |
The 9/11 Commission (aka the Zelikow Coverup Commission) Report was rife with both omissions and distortions.
Here's a little snippet on Philip Zelikow (via Wikipedia):
| quote: | Prof. Zelikow's area of academic expertise is the creation and maintenance of, in his words, “public myths” or “public presumptions,” which he defines as “beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community." In his academic work and elsewhere he has taken a special interest in what he has called “‘searing’ or ‘molding’ events [that] take on ‘transcendent’ importance and, therefore, retain their power even as the experiencing generation passes from the scene. In the United States, beliefs about the formation of the nation and the Constitution remain powerful today, as do beliefs about slavery and the Civil War. World War II, Vietnam, and the civil rights struggle are more recent examples.” He has noted that “a history’s narrative power is typically linked to how readers relate to the actions of individuals in the history; if readers cannot make a connection to their own lives, then a history may fail to engage them at all” ("Thinking about Political History," Miller Center Report [Winter 1999], pp. 5-7).
In the November-December 1998 issue of Foreign Affairs, he co-authored an article entitled “Catastrophic Terrorism,” in which he speculated that if the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center had succeeded, “the resulting horror and chaos would have exceeded our ability to describe it. Such an act of catastrophic terrorism would be a watershed event in American history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented in peacetime and undermine America’s fundamental sense of security, as did the Soviet atomic bomb test in 1949. Like Pearl Harbor, the event would divide our past and future into a before and after. The United States might respond with draconian measures scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects and use of deadly force. More violence could follow, either future terrorist attacks or U.S. counterattacks. Belatedly, Americans would judge their leaders negligent for not addressing terrorism more urgently.”
Philip Zelikow served on President Bush's transition team in 2000-2001. After George W. Bush took office, Zelikow was named to a position on the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, and worked on other task forces and commissions as well, including the National Commission on Federal Election Reform. |
Here's a good video of David Ray Griffin speaking on the subject of the 9/11 Commission:
http://www.informationclearinghouse...article8765.htm
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| Trancer-X |
The truth about Zelikow and the Sept. 11 cover-up commission
Wednesday, October 20, 2004
last updated October 20, 2004 1:51 AM
By CAROLE BROUILLET
Philip Zelikow will speak at Kresge Auditorium, today, from 4:15 to 5:30 p.m. We plan to protest the Sept. 11 cover-up and to raise questions about his role as executive director of the 9-11 Commission and the Commission’s report.
Zelikow, a national security adviser to both Bush administrations and a principal author of the official 9-11 Commission Report, was part of Bush’s transition team for the National Security Council after the 2000 election. He was appointed to the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board a month after the Sept. 11 2001 attacks.
The Family Steering Committee called for his resignation because of his obvious conflicts of interests.
While Sept. 11 has been used to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, shred the Constitution and Bill of Rights, construct a global police state, enrich weapons manufacturers and seize oil assets, there have been no convictions in any courts of law supporting the government conspiracy theory, particularly the Saddam Hussein / Al Qaeda link.
The 9-11 Commission failed to mention or address the multiple war games / exercises that were being conducted that day, out of the White House. As many as five war game drills were in process, some involving hijacked airliners, a plane crashing into a building, some involving false blips deliberately inserted onto FAA and military radar screens.
One exercise pulled significant fighter resources away from the Northeastern United States on Sept. 11.
These exercises involved North American Air Defense Command, the Federal Aviation Administration, the Canadian Air Force, the CIA and the National Reconnaissance Office.
Coincidentally, in New York City, massive preparations were underway for a biochemical attack drill involving FEMA, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management, the FBI, the U.S. Department of Justice, Weill Medical College, the N.Y. Deptartment of Health, the N.Y. Fire Department, the N.Y. Police Department, the American Red Cross and the Port Authority.
The Secret Service and Cheney’s overseeing role during the events of Sept. 11 were overlooked. This was documented in Michael Ruppert’s new book “Crossing the Rubicon – The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil.”
The Commissioners and Zelikow had deep conflicts of interest and many reasons to cover up the truth about Sept. 11.
They are now engaged in a public relations effort to sell the official narrative and the war on terrorism. Both the official inquiry and the Commission’s parameters were to support the official story and justify the creation of Homeland Security Department.
Homeland Security in German is “geheimstadt politza,” which during World War II was abbreviated to Gestapo. Do Americans really believe a “Gestapo” will make us safer?
The Stanford Institute for International Studies is sponsoring Zelikow’s talk, but the Department of Homeland Security has awarded a 15-month $1.65-million contract to CISAC and the Stanford Institute for International Studies to conduct research on how national and local agencies improve the design and evaluation of future terrorist exercises of national and local response systems.
The DHS research contract resulted from CISAC’s observation of last year’s spring State Department-DHS-sponsored, full-scale exercise called TOPOFF2, designed to prepare national, state and local officials to respond to potential terrorist attacks within the United States.
The United States has a long history of training terrorists and launching covert operations throughout the world.
Terrorism allows states to declare emergencies, label all opposition as terrorists and reduce civil rights.
Carol Brouillet is an organizer for the International Inquiry into 9-11, a group that is responsible for exposing information about Sept. 11.
http://daily.stanford.edu/tempo?pag...ry=0001_article |
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| donnybrasco |
There once was a Paranoid named Trancer.
He thought whacked-out websites had the answer.
From a dark little computer room, he decried;
"CONSPIRACY! That's why they all died!"
...when shown common sense, it only made the dork type faster. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by donnybrasco
There was a Paranoid named Trancer.
He thought whacked-out websites had the answer.
From a dark little computer room, he decried;
"CONSPIRACY! That's why they all died!"
...when shown common sense, it only made the dork type faster. |
LMAO LOL...CLASSIC!!!!:haha: :haha: |
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| skot_e |
| quote: | | Zelikow was named to a position on the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, and worked on other task forces and commissions as well, including the National Commission on Federal Election Reform. |
Bit late for that wasn't it?:tongue2 |
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| seval |
| quote: | Originally posted by donnybrasco
There once was a Paranoid named Trancer.
He thought whacked-out websites had the answer.
From a dark little computer room, he decried;
"CONSPIRACY! That's why they all died!"
...when shown common sense, it only made the dork type faster. |
ROTFL :haha: the guy has skill lol |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by donnybrasco
There once was a Paranoid named Trancer.
He thought whacked-out websites had the answer.
From a dark little computer room, he decried;
"CONSPIRACY! That's why they all died!"
...when shown common sense, it only made the dork type faster. |
He's more the cut-and-paste-King :p
But in all fairness, he's at least is willing to dig stuff up and present an opposing view (even if it is a little off the wall). ;)
That's what I like about this forum, you're gonna get ALL the angles here... |
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| donnybrasco |
^^^You are probably right, but the last sentence was pushing it in length anyways and adding "cut and paste" over the single word of "type" would have messed too much with the syntax.
Chaulk it up to "Artistic License". :tongue2 |
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