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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 197)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
Yes 181 61.56%
No 113 38.44%
Check your head again troll. You are failing.....miserably. |
anyone that thinks this poll is
a) indicative of general opinion
b) meaningful in anyway whatsoever
is just an uneducated loser that hasn't had the benefit of learning things such as qualitative research methods.
can you tell me why, if the truth movement is so strong, there arent even 1000 members at the loose change forums? or why other sites are begging for donations to keep their sites going? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
I really don't understand how this lends credence to the argument that a former President understands better than anyone else what happened in a foreign country twenty years after he ceased to be of any real importance.
I also really don't understand why this thread is still active - none of these "points" in favor of an alternate theory of 9/11 even make any coherent sense. |
all the leaders of the world get together and share trade secrets you idiot! dont you know anything!? |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
all the leaders of the world get together and share trade secrets you idiot! dont you know anything!? |
Even after they stop being leaders?
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Also, I have a confession to make. When this thread was new, I voted "Yes"... but I swear it was only as a lark. I thought the thread was a joke, and found it amusing that the vote total could potentially be in favor of some loony alternate theory. Little did I know I was handing the diehard truthers their largest piece of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Even after they stop being leaders?
:conf:
Also, I have a confession to make. When this thread was new, I voted "Yes"... but I swear it was only as a lark. I thought the thread was a joke, and found it amusing that the vote total could potentially be in favor of some loony alternate theory. Little did I know I was handing the diehard truthers their largest piece of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.
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hahaha! |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
hahaha! |
+1...LOL |
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| colonelcrisp |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
Clearly you are not even good enough to prove that the engineering ring (which your parents probably paid for) around your dirty finger is enough to handle yet the most simple issues.
Are you sure you did not get it by buying it online off ebay jerkoff? |
Im not exactly sure how a ring is supposed to handle anything, it is but a mere token to remind me of my obligation to my profession. I really didn't need my parents to buy it for me, it only costs 20 dollars, and if i lose it i can buy another one. The reason i have one and you don't is simply, you lack the mental capacity to be an engineer. This is why god created McDonalds..... for people like you to have a meaningful profession to call their own..... in your case that profession is making the fries to go with my big mac combo.
| quote: | And yet again another three or four posts from the usual suspects who cannot deny the facts presented but instead attack the individual.
At this rate you will convince all others who read this thread how incompetent you all are in debating and presenting facts. |
Yet you keep posting un organized, rambling, incoherant posts full of personal insults, and "evidence" consisting of hearsay, mild conjecture, misquoted out-of-context testimony and stretched coincidence.... At least mine are just mild snide remarks and witty personal attacks without all the made up nonsense...
haven't you noticed your usual band of fellow morons hasnt been backing you up lately? maybe its because even in their deluded reality, you are starting to look like a tard.... |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
And yet again another three or four posts from the usual suspects who cannot deny the facts presented but instead attack the individual.
At this rate you will convince all others who read this thread how incompetent you all are in debating and presenting facts. |
How about for once you support an argument without using for evidence:
1. a link or story from some wackjob truther website
2. a quote from some tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theory loon with no credentials presenting some opinion or conjecture as though it were fact
I think that your biggest problem is that you seem to have a flawed understanding of what a "fact" is.
For example, if a single janitor says he saw explosions in the basement of the WTC you accept that as a fact, that it must have happened despite there being no hard evidence or even any additional eye witness testimony (and we all know what that is worth) to back it up. But yet you can just offhandedly dismiss the findings of professionals (who actually have credentials mind you) that studied all available evidence and used actual scientific method to make a conclusion supported by real evidence of what caused the collapse of the WTC.
By doing that you present yourself as a complete idiot so it is only natural that some personal attacks against you would occur. What else can be done? None of the points you make are ever backed by any real hard evidence so how can they be debated? Maybe you should check dictionary.com and refresh your understanding of what a fact is before you post again. |
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| culorut |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
And yet again another three or four posts from the usual suspects who cannot deny the facts presented but instead attack the individual.
At this rate you will convince all others who read this thread how incompetent you all are in debating and presenting facts. |
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| culorut |
Government Apologists Keep Moving the Goal Posts
Folks who are trying to defend the government's version of 9/11 have continuously moved the goal posts:
- Initially, the government apologists pretended that everyone believed the "official story" of 9/11
- Then, when the family members of the victims and every day Americans started publicly question the government's story, they said "but, all of the experts confirm the government"
- Then, when hundreds of top experts in relevant fields - military officials, intelligence officers, physicists, chemists, mathematicians, etc. - publicly questioned the government's story, they said "well, no structural engineers question 9/11"
- Then, when numerous structural engineers decided to risk their careers to question the official version of events, they said "yeah, but no criticism of the government's claims has been published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal"
- Then, when papers began to be published in peer-reviewed scientific journals, they scrambled with new arguments . . .
They keep moving the goal posts, which is a sign of dishonesty. Its the old bait-and-switch - come up with one argument, and when it is shot down as false, make up a new one.
Indeed, if Bush, Cheney, and Rummie all confessed under oath that they carried out 9/11, the defenders of the official version would probably try to move the goal posts yet again:
"true, but no one checked to see if they had their fingers crossed behind their backs at the time.
And they've been under alot of stress recently. Maybe they've suffered from short-term memory loss.
And you don't have any video actually showing them ordering the stand down, do you?! Why should we believe you if you don't have video of them doing it?!"
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.c...oving-goal.html |
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| colonelcrisp |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
Government Apologists Keep Moving the Goal Posts
Folks who are trying to defend the government's version of 9/11 have continuously moved the goal posts:
- Initially, the government apologists pretended that everyone believed the "official story" of 9/11
- Then, when the family members of the victims and every day Americans started publicly question the government's story, they said "but, all of the experts confirm the government"
- Then, when hundreds of top experts in relevant fields - military officials, intelligence officers, physicists, chemists, mathematicians, etc. - publicly questioned the government's story, they said "well, no structural engineers question 9/11"
- Then, when numerous structural engineers decided to risk their careers to question the official version of events, they said "yeah, but no criticism of the government's claims has been published in a peer-reviewed scientific journal"
- Then, when papers began to be published in peer-reviewed scientific journals, they scrambled with new arguments . . .
They keep moving the goal posts, which is a sign of dishonesty. Its the old bait-and-switch - come up with one argument, and when it is shot down as false, make up a new one.
Indeed, if Bush, Cheney, and Rummie all confessed under oath that they carried out 9/11, the defenders of the official version would probably try to move the goal posts yet again:
"true, but no one checked to see if they had their fingers crossed behind their backs at the time.
And they've been under alot of stress recently. Maybe they've suffered from short-term memory loss.
And you don't have any video actually showing them ordering the stand down, do you?! Why should we believe you if you don't have video of them doing it?!"
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.c...oving-goal.html |
Why do you keep posting irrelevant opinion pieces? They are purely speculative, present no new ideas or information, and frankly, if anyone is guilty of "goal poast moving" its your camp as every time one of your theories is proved to be completely stupid, you come up with another one which is equally as wrong. |
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| culorut |
| A bit pissed at the truth are you? Oh well. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
Why do you keep posting irrelevant opinion pieces? They are purely speculative, present no new ideas or information, and frankly, if anyone is guilty of "goal poast moving" its your camp as every time one of your theories is proved to be completely stupid, you come up with another one which is equally as wrong. |
lol, beat me to it. |
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