|
Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 15)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
I believe we have all been duped. 9/11 was nothing more than a gov plan to attack several countries for an oil pipeline and the control of oil researves.
It was also the major move by the gov to prepare for civil control on all its people. |
You dont get it either...WHY would the goverment make themselves look stupid and be hated by most of the world population by not planting WMD in Iraq.
If the gov planted it the world would not be so against the US invasion of Iraq and Bush would look like a hero.
Is this really that hard for you people to understand? |
|
|
| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psygnosis
If your little brain is so confident about this, show me some links thats proves this point or even slightly backs your dumbass ideas up? |
Why must i show a link?
It is common sense...orchestrate 9.11 a massive domestic attack to plant yourself in Iraq but only to make yourself hated by most of the world by not finding WMD...if that is such a hard concept for you to even consider then u have issues.
Do you understand what i am saying....seriously think about it objectivly before you respond. |
|
|
| metalgearsolid |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
You dont get it either...WHY would the goverment make themselves look stupid and be hated by most of the world population by not planting WMD in Iraq.
If the gov planted it the world would not be so against the US invasion of Iraq and Bush would look like a hero.
Is this really that hard for you people to understand? |
You don't get it. The real power behind the scenes planned this out. And no its not some lobbyiest for a fortune 500 company.
What happened is ANTI-AMERICAN SENTIMENT WORLDWIDE. THIS IS CAUSE FOR CONCERN FOR THE AMERICAN PPL. WHAT YOU HAVE IS THE MEDIA CONSTANTLY TELLING AMERICANS THAT THEY ARE NOT SAFE THAT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD HATE US AND THAT IS WHY THE GOV MUST TAKE LIBERTIES AWAY FROM THE PPL! |
|
|
| Psygnosis |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Why must i show a link?
It is common sense...orchestrate 9.11 a massive domestic attack to plant yourself in Iraq but only to make yourself hated by most of the world by not finding WMD...if that is such a hard concept for you to even consider then u have issues.
Do you understand what i am saying....seriously think about it objectivly before you respond. |
It's not common sense, it's what your fed to believe.
I'm not saying that it was Bush who was behind it or some big Arab nation, but what proof don't you have the CIA setup this whole thing in the first place because as you know they trained Saddam, Osama etc.
They are capable of anything they well please to do, so don't come here and say its common sense, your just the typical naive fool that will believe anything. You only believe Bush or the American government wasn't behind it because thats what they tell you in which they say Arabs did this, and arabs did that.
Again, don't you go around telling people that they didnt answer your question or didn't prove themselves because you did neither right here. |
|
|
| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
Ok. Do you not like me or something? I thought we were buddies, man. |
The question was actually for the troll. Aside from that I have no problems with you.
| quote: | Now, here is something I would like to discuss with you or anybody else. Maybe Al Qaeda does not exist.
They did but the US govt managed to destroy them a while ago during the USSR invasion of Afghanistan. The US govt saw this organisation as a good means to take away liberties from the people and eventually they would use this threat for a one world govt really controlled by the US.
Now all the suppose terrorists are all govt agents. Nobody will know the difference I mean look at the video tapes of the Training camps for Al Qaeda the tapes are very old.
I believe we have all been duped. 9/11 was nothing more than a gov plan to attack several countries for an oil pipeline and the control of oil researves.
It was also the major move by the gov to prepare for civil control on all its people. |
06/04/2002 - Updated 08:12 AM ET
U.S. had agents inside al-Qaeda
By John Diamond, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — U.S. intelligence overheard al-Qaeda operatives discussing a major pending terrorist attack in the weeks prior to Sept. 11 and had agents inside the terror group, but the intercepts and field reports didn't specify where or when a strike might occur, according to U.S. officials. The disclosures add to a growing body of evidence to be examined in congressional hearings that open today into how the CIA, FBI and other agencies failed to seize on intelligence pointing to the deadliest terror attack in U.S. history.
- Dispatches from agents who infiltrated al-Qaeda and its Taliban allies. The operatives could not crack the tightly held secret of the Sept. 11 plot but helped underscore the lengths al-Qaeda was willing to go to inflict pain on the United States.
U.S. had agents inside al-Qaeda
CIA official says agents have infiltrated Al Qaeda
By Walter Pincus, Washington Post | July 24, 2004
WASHINGTON -- The CIA has intelligence agents inside Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda network -- as it did before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks -- but they are not within the terrorist leader's inner circle where key information about any future attack would be discussed, a senior intelligence official said yesterday.
CIA official says agents have infiltrated Al Qaeda
CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July
French report claims terrorist leader stayed in Dubai hospital
Anthony Sampson
Thursday November 1, 2001
Guardian
Two months before September 11 Osama bin Laden flew to Dubai for 10 days for treatment at the American hospital, where he was visited by the local CIA agent, according to the French newspaper Le Figaro.
The disclosures are known to come from French intelligence which is keen to reveal the ambiguous role of the CIA, and to restrain Washington from extending the war to Iraq and elsewhere.
Bin Laden is reported to have arrived in Dubai on July 4 from Quetta in Pakistan with his own personal doctor, nurse and four bodyguards, to be treated in the urology department. While there he was visited by several members of his family and Saudi personalities, and the CIA.
The CIA chief was seen in the lift, on his way to see Bin Laden, and later, it is alleged, boasted to friends about his contact. He was recalled to Washington soon afterwards.
Intelligence sources say that another CIA agent was also present; and that Bin Laden was also visited by Prince Turki al Faisal, then head of Saudi intelligence, who had long had links with the Taliban, and Bin Laden. Soon afterwards Turki resigned, and more recently he has publicly attacked him in an open letter: "You are a rotten seed, like the son of Noah".
The American hospital in Dubai emphatically denied that Bin Laden was a patient there.
Washington last night also denied the story.
CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July
The Center for Cooperative Research has various timelines and many off site links. |
|
|
| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ali92
[[ LINK REMOVED ]]
- watch & weep. ;-) This guy broke it down scientifically. What were these non-news helicopters doing around there? Notice how right after a helicopter passed from behind the buildings, another explosion goes off? |
So what? On any given day there are countless helicopters over NYC...that is not uncommen at all. I see no explosion after the helicopters are flying around.
Are you suggesting helicopters were dropiing bombs or something?
I was in lower Manhattan that day, not too far from WTC and i heard no explosions before the towers fell...only ones i heard was the planes hitting and then when they collapsed.
The video then goes to the dust cloud coming from the bottom of the WTC...that was probally smoke coming down the elevator shafts and billowing out of the building...which has been seen in many other documentraries of 9.11...or it could of been debry that fell from the top of the towers that was on fire in the courtyard between the 2 towers...again the movie proves nothing.
Then he goe sback to the helicopters...not sure why...there was countless helicopters in the air that day...be it news copters or emergency service helicopters...nothing weird about that.
Are you really sugesting that the helicopters, in broad daylight over NYC with billions of people glued to the television watching this unfold live and knowing it would be recorded by hundreds of people made the towers collapse...surely u can be serious...that it so sad if you beleive that.
The guy at 18minutes says black smoke in indicative of a fire going out...that is not true...black smoke means the fire is bad....white smoke means a fire is dying out.
Then they go on about military helicopters...which i dont recall seeing with my own eyes that day nor have i ever seen of any reports of any in the area. There was many news and police copters though. As far as the bright flashes they could of been the sun reflecting off the metal sides of the copters...nothing really strange about that...not too mention whos to say that video hasnt been edited and those were put in? But i would bet it was the sun and water reflections of the metal sides.
at 27:20 he talks about 6 explosions...i dont see them or hear them in this video at all...not sure what he is meaning.
This is when i stopped watching...at 46minutes into he has proven nothing to me...he talks of explosions heard on the street...well i was down there and can say there wasnt any...so i dismiss the video as nonsense muddraking. |
|
|
| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
You don't get it. The real power behind the scenes planned this out. And no its not some lobbyiest for a fortune 500 company.
What happened is ANTI-AMERICAN SENTIMENT WORLDWIDE. THIS IS CAUSE FOR CONCERN FOR THE AMERICAN PPL. WHAT YOU HAVE IS THE MEDIA CONSTANTLY TELLING AMERICANS THAT THEY ARE NOT SAFE THAT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD HATE US AND THAT IS WHY THE GOV MUST TAKE LIBERTIES AWAY FROM THE PPL! |
Oh christ you are crazy......so now it wasnt the US government behind 9.11? bit some other secret American group?
LOL you need serious serious psychiatric medication ... and i do not mean that in a deragatory way...i sincerly think you need proffessional help. And i can not discuss with you anything further till you seek the help you need. |
|
|
| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
It is a 3 part question and without an answer to this question no amount of evidence can suggest anything of a conspiracy.
If the Bush administration was involved in 9.11 what was the reason for it, what did they gain? Most, if not all, of the conspiracy theorists beleive it was to plant themselves in Iraq for oil or some other reason, but if that is the case why would they go through the ENORMOUS effort of pulling off 9.11 killing thousands of its own people, bringing down both World Trade Center Towers, penetrating the Pentagon all in broad daylight for the world to see only to make themselves look stupid by entering Iraq under false prentences when all they had to do was plant some VX nerve gas and some warheads in the desert to "prove: Hussein had WMD...but they didnt they planned 9.11 to get to Iraq yet didnt plant WMD which would of been childs play? makes no sense. |
I stated earlier for others that people of power believe in the ends justifying the means.
Somehow you cannot grasp that and therefore your stuck in this cognitive dissonance that is very very hard to break.
Rather than looking for words to fight with you should just STFU and read what I and others keep pointing out to you.
But you're just going to ramble on about your question not being answered and claim you're the best flamer around. |
|
|
| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psygnosis
It's not common sense, it's what your fed to believe. |
Typical Chomsky, Zinn and Blumm horse ...i beleive what i see fit shows me the best evidence....i am no sheep kind sir.
| quote: | Originally posted by Psygnosis
I'm not saying that it was Bush who was behind it or some big Arab nation, but what proof don't you have the CIA setup this whole thing in the first place because as you know they trained Saddam, Osama etc.. |
You beg the question though...WHY woudl the CIA does this...in order to have that theory you have to have a reason for it...so why?
| quote: | Originally posted by Psygnosis
They are capable of anything they well please to do, so don't come here and say its common sense, your just the typical naive fool that will believe anything. You only believe Bush or the American government wasn't behind it because thats what they tell you in which they say Arabs did this, and arabs did that. |
I know and you are enlightened few that can see past all the brainwashing techniques that us simple fellows fall victom too...gee i wish i was like you.
Listen..Bin Laden took the blame for 9.11 in his own words...or maybe he is a CIA agent.
| quote: | Originally posted by Psygnosis
Again, don't you go around telling people that they didnt answer your question or didn't prove themselves because you did neither right here. |
I dont need to prove myself...i am not on a mission like you people...but if you can not answer simple questions that hold all your water then how can you have a theory?
By the way i am STILL waiting for an answer from someone...thats the funny thing about you twits...you can NEVER answer simple easy straight forwards questions...you always want to give the run around. LOL and i am the fool? |
|
|
| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
I stated earlier for others that people of power believe in the ends justifying the means.
Somehow you cannot grasp that and therefore your stuck in this cognitive dissonance that is very very hard to break.
Rather than looking for words to fight with you should just STFU and read what I and others keep pointing out to you.
But you're just going to ramble on about your question not being answered and claim you're the best flamer around. |
This is so friggen funny...you have all this evidence and are assured of your beleifs but you can not and still have yet to even try to answer my question...
Is it a hard question?
It is a WHY question...you are bunk...your theory is bunk and your debating skills are bunk.
U made yourself look like a fool by not answering...
Care to try one last time to save face?
Come on i dare you.,..answer my question with your own words because i know u wont find an answer on any wacked site u get the rest of your information from...this answer lies within yourself...or do you not have any original opinions on the matter?
SO please give me an answer why didnt they plant WMD in Iraq if they pulled of 9.11? 98% of conspiracy theorists point to them doing 9.11 to get to iraq....so why didnt they plant WMD and make themselves look like heroes? WHY WHY WHY WHY |
|
|
| skot_e |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
It is a WHY question...you are bunk...your theory is bunk and your debating skills are bunk. |
Again what does this terminology mean? Obviuosly a put down, but please explain...
| quote: | | .so why didnt they plant WMD and make themselves look like heroes? WHY WHY WHY WHY |
Perhaps too difficult with the world media, perhaps just lazy. maybe no spare WMD's lying around... I do agree they would have tried this if they felt it was necessary, but maybe they really did think they would find some stashed somewhere. |
|
|
|
|
