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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 273)
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Anecdotal Evidence
The expression anecdotal evidence has two quite distinct meanings.
(1) Evidence in the form of an anecdote or hearsay is called anecdotal if there is doubt about its veracity: the evidence itself is considered untrustworthy or untrue.
(2) Evidence, which may itself be true and verifiable, used to deduce a conclusion which does not follow from it, usually by generalizing from an insufficient amount of evidence. For example "my grandfather smoked like a chimney and died healthy in a car crash at the age of 99" does not disprove the proposition that "smoking markedly increases the probability of cancer and heart disease at a relatively early age". In this case, the evidence may itself be true, but does not warrant the conclusion.
In both cases the conclusion is unreliable; it might happen not to be untrue, but it doesn't follow from the "evidence". |
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| Trancer-X |
Given that I often seem to be singled out here, I thought that this was an interesting summary of who's actually been posting the most in this thread.
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| Zild |
The fact that I tell you to grow up and try to learn something by reading your adversaries comments and then ignoring and not letting them bother you is a good thing whereas putting people on ignore makes one a is my way of helping you face the world.
When I write something I wrote it and I don't care who says what and I am willing to field my opponent's comments usually without resorting to name calling like you did with me (sorry but people who have to use ignore ARE pussies and need to be called on it) is childish and immature.
I know a lot about what you are talking about I am well versed and trained in occult and other matters. I could be a very good source of information, but as it stands you need to learn how to grow up and keep your mouth shut.
You mention Shaolin Z to display me in a poor fashion, but we are good friends and talk about this subject and others that are controversial in real life and over the phone for hours without any name calling or anger. But like I said you can't take it and need to grow up more and learn to face and accept criticism, and what is inside of yourself, and the way most people in the world are foolish or pigheaded before that could ever happen.
I feel sorry for you... later |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
trancer's right donnie. go take your google image hunting back to the COR.
id like more answers trancer. its all too easy to say stuff like
without saying how it happened. from the moment the planes were hijacked id like an alternative story to the official one. who did what and conspired for whom to achieve what etc. then id like to know how many people would have to be involved for it to be able to occur the way we 'saw' it. and why one earth go about it this way when theres probably a million easier ways. and how on earth it could possibly be kept quiet.
i dont have answers for a lot of the questions youre asking, so id like some more specific ones from you. paint me a picture ;) the plot must be convincing. |
almost 3 years ago. and *shock horror* im still waiting for answers. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
almost 3 years ago. and *shock horror* im still waiting for answers. |
None of them have...
1. Examined forensic evidence.
2. Accused anyone of being directly involved with a government plot.
3. Said how, where, or when the bombs were covertly placed, and who placed them.
4. Said who detonated the supposed bombs.
5. Provided proof of a bomb, or explosives residue synonymous with a controlled demotion.
They rely on eyewitnesses for 99% of their conspiracy. Their physics is 100% wrong. And when we bring these issues up, these idiots call us trolls, ignorant, sheep, and...:stongue:...government agents...:haha:...and then claim we are the ones trolling and using ad hominems. It's us not them never them!:rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| {b.s.e.} |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
None of them have...
1. Examined forensic evidence.
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I'm not really privy to the forensics lab of the FBI. Are you?
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2. Accused anyone of being directly involved with a government plot.
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You can safely assume that anyone that has been caught lying on record is part of the cover up.
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3. Said how, where, or when the bombs were covertly placed, and who placed them.
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Securacom/ Stratesec acquired the $8.3 million World Trade Center renovation contract in October 1996 - George Bush’s brother, Marvin, had the WTC security contract.
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4. Said who detonated the supposed bombs.
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Irrelevant.
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5. Provided proof of a bomb, or explosives residue synonymous with a controlled demotion.
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80% of the steel was scrapped without being examined because investigators did not have the authority to preserve the wreckage.
| quote: | Given that the people in charge considered the steel garbage, useless to any investigation in this age of computer simulations, they certainly took pains to make sure it didn't end up anywhere other than a smelting furnace. They installed GPS locater devices on each of the trucks that was carrying loads away from Ground Zero, at a cost of $1000 each. The securitysolutions.com website has an article on the tracking system with this passage.
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html
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They rely on eyewitnesses for 99% of their conspiracy. Their physics is 100% wrong. |
Uh,:wtf:? The fundamental reason why I challenge the Official Story is because it does not comply with the Conservation of Momentum or Energy. Physics is most certainly on our side.
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And when we bring these issues up
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Like what the Conservation of Energy or Momentum? lol I don't remember you sayin' a bloody thing about Physics.
Let's assume there are two identical Honda Civics on the freeway. One is sitting in neutral at a standstill (0 mph). The other is coasting at 60 mph. The second Honda slams into the back of the first one. The first Honda will then instantaneously be going much faster than it was, and the second will instantaneously be going much slower than it was.
This is how the principle works in the horizontal direction, and it works the same in the vertical direction, with the added constant force of gravity added to it. Jim Hoffman, a professional scientist published in several peer−reviewed scientific journals, took a long look at all of this. He calculated that even if the structure itself offered no resistance, that is to say, even if the 110 floors of each tower were hovering in mid−air, the "pancake" theory would still have taken a minimum of 15.5 seconds to reach the ground. So, even if the building essentially didn't exist, if it provided no resistance at all to the collapse, just the floors hitting each other and causing each other to decelerate would've taken 15.5 seconds to reach the ground. But of course the buildings did exist. So how did the building provide no resistance?
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call us trolls, ignorant, sheep, and...:stongue:...government agents...:haha:...and then claim we are the ones trolling and using ad hominems. It's us not them never them!:rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
The only part I agree with. You said it though, not me. ;)
25 Senior Military Officials/Officers question the 9/11 Story.
http://patriotsquestion911.com/Arti...lenge%20911.pdf |
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| Trancer-X |
Does anyone know if anything ever happened with that RICO case that former Pennsylvania Deputy Attorney General Philip J. Berg was handling?
The case is Mariani v. Bush, et al., Case number USDC/EDPA docket #03-5273, United States District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania.
| quote: | 911 Victim’s Wife Files RICO Case Against GW Bush
Thursday, 27 November 2003, 1:35 pm
Press Release: Ellen Mariani Lawsuit
For Immediate Release: - 11/26/03
Philip J. Berg, Esquire
News Conference – Wednesday - 11/26/03 – 12 Noon
5th & Ranstead Streets, Philadelphia
[corner of Bourse Building with Independence Hall in background]
911 Victim’s Wife, Ellen Mariani, files RICO Act
[Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act]
Federal Court Complaint against President Bush and Cabinet Members
(Philadelphia, PA – 11/26/03) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, announced today that he, attorney for Ellen Mariani, wife of Louis Neil Mariani, who died when United Air Lines flight 175 was flown into the South Tower of the World Trade Center on 9-11 at a news conference regarding the filing of a detailed Amended Complaint in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania on 11/26/03 in the case of Mariani vs. Bush et al that he is alleging President Bush and officials including, but not limited to Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Feinberg that they:- had knowledge/warnings of 911 and failed to warn or take steps to prevent;
- have been covering up the truth of 911; and
- have therefore violated the laws of the United States; and
- are being sued under the Civil RICO Act.
Berg stated: “I will be detailing the charges against Bush and others and handing out copies of the:- Amended Complaint;
- a Letter from Ellen Mariani to President Bush that sets forth her beliefs that President Bush knowingly and willfully failed to act and prevent the murder of her husband on 911 and the ongoing obstruction of justice; and
- a Sworn Affidavit that the United States government twenty-eight [28] years ago undertook a study to prevent the very events of 911.
Mrs. Mariani was the first victim family member to bring civil action regarding the events of 911 against United Airlines. Since then, the “truth” of 911 has not been forthcoming and Mrs. Mariani, for the good of her country, now seeks the truth via this courageous action under the RICO Act.
Berg said: The events surrounding "911" to date have yet to be uncovered.
While America was under attack, for approximately the next seven (7) to eighteen (18) minutes Defendant GWB continues to listen to the goat story while Plaintiff's husband was just murdered and does not immediately assume his duties as Commander-in-Chief of the United States Armed Forces.
Plaintiff, with her amended complaint intends to expose the truth to remember the dead and to prevent continued deaths of American military personnel due to President Bush's "failure to act and prevent" the worst attacks on our nation since Pearl Harbor.
Plaintiff hereby asserts Defendants, officially and individually are exclusively liable to answer the Counts in this Complaint under the United States Constitution and provisions of the 18 U.S.C. § 1964(a) and (c), Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (hereinafter "RICO Act") for "failing to act and prevent" the murder of Plaintiff's husband, Louis Neil Mariani, for financial and political reasons and have "obstructed justice" in the aftermath of said criminal acts and omissions.
Defendant GWB has purported to the American People and the Plaintiff that the infamous attacks of "911" were directly masterminded by Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda Network terrorists (hereinafter "OBL"), almost immediately after the attacks. Yet, Defendant GWB has not been forthright and honest with regard to his administration's pre-knowledge of the potential of the "911" attacks and Plaintiff seeks to compel Defendant GWB to justify why her husband Louis Neil Mariani died on "911.'
Plaintiff believes Defendant GWB is invoking a long standard operating procedure of invoking national security and executive privilege claims to suppress the basis of this lawsuit that Defendant GWB, et al., failed to act and prevent the "911" attacks.
Plaintiff asserts, contrary to Defendant GWB's assertion that OBL is responsible for "911," the compelling evidence that will be presented in this case through discovery, subpoena power by this Court and testimony at trial will lead to one undisputed fact, Defendant GWB failed to act and prevent "911" knowing the attacks would lead to our nation having to engage in an "International War on Terror (IWOT)" which would benefit Defendants both financially and for political reasons.
There are significant business ties that will be proven between Defendants and OBL's family which raise serious conflict of interest and other matters wherein "failing to act and prevent" the "911" attacks have benefited Defendants.
Reports have emerged and will be confirmed through discovery that the Carlyle Group, the giant U.S. defense contractor until recently employed Defendant and former President GHB. Hence, the "Bush Family" and other Defendants financial profiting by war goes to the heart of Plaintiff's RICO Act claim.
Plaintiff asserts, in the late 1970's and throughout the 1980's, Defendants were allies with OBL and Saddam Hussein during the former Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan and Iran-Iraq war respectively, wherein, personal and political deals were made and it is believed upon discovery, these dealings hold the truth about "911."
In sum, Plaintiff will call to trial former federal employees with firsthand knowledge and expertise with military intelligence and other duties to support the underlying RICO Act foundational basis to prove Defendants have engaged in a "pattern of criminal activity and obstruction of justice" in violation of the public trust and laws of the United States for personal and financial gains.
Plaintiff will prove, Defendants have engaged our nation in an endless war on terror to achieve their personal goals and agendas.
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Now, Trancer-X, that's a ludicrous thing to say. |
It might sound ludicrous to those who still believe the Big Lie. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
The fundamental reason why I challenge the Official Story is because it does not comply with the Conservation of Momentum or Energy. Physics is most certainly on our side. |
im not sure if youre aware or not, but a scientific theory is nothing without having been published and checked by ones peers. you don't have a peer-reviewed paper establishing that the collapses didn't comply with conservation of momentum, so i wonder why you keep repeating it as if it is truth?
get it proven in a paper or stop telling lies. |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by {b.s.e.}
I'm not really privy to the forensics lab of the FBI. Are you? |
I'm not referring to just you. Anyone within the truther movement. Engineers for 9/11 truth?:rolleyes: You guys want to make this case, but refuse to gather circumstantial evidence. Why?
| quote: | | You can safely assume that anyone that has been caught lying on record is part of the cover up. |
Ok then, have them prosecuted. I'm sure there is a group, Lawyers for 9/11 truth...:p
| quote: | | Securacom/ Stratesec acquired the $8.3 million World Trade Center renovation contract in October 1996 - George Bush’s brother, Marvin, had the WTC security contract. |
Do you have any evidence that contract entailed rigging the building with tonnes of explosives which would have been impossible to do covertly? Or are you again going by wild speculative hunches?
No, not irrelevant. You're accusing someone, somewhere, of treason or domestic terrorism on a gigantic scale, yet, refuse to name suspects. Why? I know why. You have no suspects. Or circumstantial/forensic evidence. No case.
| quote: | | 80% of the steel was scrapped without being examined because investigators did not have the authority to preserve the wreckage. |
Read the FEMA Report on Steel Data Collection. Over 100 visits by engineers were made to scrap yards in the months after the collapse. How many times did these "Engineers for 9/11 truth" visit the scrap yards? And yet, not a single piece of evidence of a controlled demolition. Not in the steel, and not even a single bomb fragment. Shame...:rolleyes:
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apd.pdf
| quote: | | Uh,:wtf:? The fundamental reason why I challenge the Official Story is because it does not comply with the Conservation of Momentum or Energy. Physics is most certainly on our side. |
Sorry, but there was more than enough energy to bring the entire structures down. Let me demonstrate...
| quote: | Like what the Conservation of Energy or Momentum? lol I don't remember you sayin' a bloody thing about Physics.
Let's assume there are two identical Honda Civics on the freeway. One is sitting in neutral at a standstill (0 mph). The other is coasting at 60 mph. The second Honda slams into the back of the first one. The first Honda will then instantaneously be going much faster than it was, and the second will instantaneously be going much slower than it was.
This is how the principle works in the horizontal direction, and it works the same in the vertical direction, with the added constant force of gravity added to it. Jim Hoffman, a professional scientist published in several peer−reviewed scientific journals, took a long look at all of this. He calculated that even if the structure itself offered no resistance, that is to say, even if the 110 floors of each tower were hovering in mid−air, the "pancake" theory would still have taken a minimum of 15.5 seconds to reach the ground. So, even if the building essentially didn't exist, if it provided no resistance at all to the collapse, just the floors hitting each other and causing each other to decelerate would've taken 15.5 seconds to reach the ground. But of course the buildings did exist. So how did the building provide no resistance? |
Because they DID offer resistance. Refer to above post. As the building falls, the amount of energy applied increases each second, and so therefore, the building falls at a faster and faster rate as each second goes by. Which is why the building wouldn't fall at 15 seconds, but 12. Jim Hoffman probably calculated his 15 seconds at a constant speed and energy. The fact is, as my chart above proves, the energy and time were not constant, but incrementally increased.
Excuse me if I get tired of being labelled brainwashed every 5 seconds...
What do you agree with? What do these military officers have to offer to any 9/11 investigation? Will their testimony get someone prosecuted? Do they offer any evidence with which we can use? Or is it just more anecdotal evidence? "I worked for NORAD and there is no way an airliner that's off course would not be intercepted!" Ok...What's your point? NORAD obviously failed. Do you have any names of those responsible for the failure? Yes, no? If yes, let's talk to them. Why did they fail at their job of protecting American skies?
Do you see where this is going? Simply because the guy says something doesn't make the whole thing true. INVESTIGATE like a police detective. Stop with all this speculative bull. |
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| CB_Brooklyn |
With the current financial problems plaguing the United States and the world, it is important for the following new evidence of September 11, 2001 to be taken seriously. Those who control the energy, control the world. 9/11 was orchestrated with free energy exotic technologies that have been weaponized and used against us. If developed and publicized properly, this technology can revolutionize the world by removing oil and gas as primary sources of fuel. Please continue reading.
Dr Judy Wood, a former assistant professor of mechanical engineering from Clemson University, has been compiling an enormous amount of data relating to the 9/11 events. Her recent work reveals glitches in Alaskan magnetometer data coinciding with each 9/11 event, including plane-shaped holes appearing in the towers. How could a plane crash in NYC cause a shift in the earth’s magnetic field 4000+ miles away in Alaska? (HAARP is in Alaska.)
Although much speculation exists at to what, if not planes, New Yorker’s saw, the evidence suggests some type of hologram technology was used. See these quotes from 9/11 First Responders. (Source information here):
• Gary Smiley, FDNY paramedic, was carrying an injured woman across Church Street who kept yelling "plane" and Smiley recalled, "I looked up at that point, and that's when the second plane hit the South Tower. The explosion was unbelievable. It was right over my head. You didn't hear anything. People ask me sometimes, 'What did you hear?' I heard nothing. "
• Steven Bienkowski, NYPD Harbor Unit Scuba Team: "I happened to be sitting in the back left side of the (helicopter) ship. … We were on the southwest side of the South Tower, and I glanced over my shoulder and there came a United Airlines aircraft right at us, a little bit underneath where we were. And I do mean a little bit underneath us. It probably missed us by about three hundred feet, and it proceeded to fly right through the building, right in front of us. … I don't remember hearing an explosion, although it must have been extremely loud. I don't remember the helicopter moving...When that second plane went into the building, it just looked like an evil magician's trick. It looked nothing like what I would have imagined a plane crashing into a building would look like. The plane just completely disappeared and turned into a giant fireball. Being there was surreal."
This 1999 Washington Post article details the military’s “psychological operation hologram project”. This 1999 military document contains this quote: Completed feasibility studies for advanced camouflage and deception technologies using holography and digital radio frequency memory (DRFM) technologies.
The July/August 2000 edition of Technology Review magazine covers the TV networks and military’s ability to insert prerecorded video in live feed on the evening news. (Note the section on the “CNN Effect”.) The truth of the 9/11 “planes” was obvious to Peter Jennings. What the ABC news clip!
Not many know that Hurricane Erin was in the Atlantic Ocean in September of 2001. In fact, Erin was closest to NYC, and at its largest size, on 9/11 itself. This NASA photo taken on 9/11 reveals the proximity between Erin and New York. This animated graphic shows the location of the eye and its sharp 110° turn away from NYC. Here’s another photo. Interestingly, the National Hurricane Center projected Erin to be stronger than it projected Katrina to be four years later. Shouldn’t they have prepared the upper-east coast for this major storm? Weather reports at NYC airports indicated rain. How were they so sure Erin would make a sharp right-hand turn and head back out to sea? Erin was a controlled environment; a perfect example of weather control.
An amazing connection between hurricanes and “free energy” Tesla Coils has been discovered. This connection involves the Hutchison Effect, named after experimental scientist John Hutchison. Look here and note the many similarities. Scroll to 7:45 on this video for news footage covering the Hutchison Effect.
“The 9/11 Truth Movement, Free Energy Suppression and the Global Elite’s Agenda” contains important information. The “truth movement” is actually a product of the perpetrators themselves and was setup with propaganda since day one. See “9/11: Distinguishing The Propaganda From The Smoking Guns” for details.
See here for evidence of directed energy weapons, molecular dissociation, and enormous amounts of potting soil trucked in/out of Ground Zero. Molecular dissociation continues to this day and Ground Zero is unsafe.
Did you know the government contracted with sponsors of the Directed Energy Professional Society for the fraudulent NIST report on the WTC destruction? These contractors include Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) and Applied Research Associates (ARA).
A solution to insane gas prices?? Genepax, a new Japanese company, recently unveiled their prototype of a water powered car:
News link 1 - News link 2 - Reuters video
Now for some political information…
Christopher Story, editor of International Currency Review, reports that Tony Blair has ratted out Bush and many others to avoid arrest and life in jail.
The people controlling the world are criminals.
It turns out that Bush’s grandfather Prescott conspired to overthrow the Constitution, assassinate FDR, and turn the United States into a Nazi Camp. Here’s the July 2007 BBC report.
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of investigative journalist John Buchanan details the documents discovered at the National Archives and Library of Congress implicating Prescott.
Quote from Washington Post: The Bush administration issued a pair of secret memos to the CIA in 2003 and 2004 that explicitly endorsed the agency's use of interrogation techniques such as waterboarding against al-Qaeda suspects -- documents prompted by worries among intelligence officials about a possible backlash if details of the program became public.
George W Bush quote: “If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator.” VIDEO
John McCain quote: “If I were a dictator, which I've always aspired to be...” VIDEO
Barack Obama's economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, is a member of the Skull and Bones Secret Society. Other members of Skull and Bones include Prescott Bush, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and John Kerry.
The $700B bailout bill is Unconstitutional.
Both McCain and Obama voted FOR the unconstitutional bailout bill.
Christopher Story, editor and publisher of International Currency Review, explains the $700B bailout was nothing more than on-the-books cash for the criminals’ new trading platform. Also see his report:
Secondary Sausages From The D.C. Sausage Machine - Washington Theatre Diverts Attention From The Primary Sausages
Quote From Forbes Magazine:
In fact, some of the most basic details, including the $700 billion figure Treasury would use to buy up bad debt, are fuzzy.
"It's not based on any particular data point," a Treasury spokeswoman told Forbes.com Tuesday. "We just wanted to choose a really large number."
Associated Press - Sep 29, 2008 - Fannie, Freddie disclose subpoenas, investigations
Why did Bush Sr call for a New World Order on September 11, 1990? |
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