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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 38)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| ^^ and thats all you can do. cut n paste irrelevant stuff that means virtually nothing whilst ignoring the gaping holes in logic that ive already alluded to. |
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| LazFX |
I beleive that this guy did it, cause we all know the government is lying about Roswell too!! Release the Greys!!!!! :D |
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| colonelcrisp |
| quote: | Originally posted by dcougar99
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yeah guess your right... it was only 2 planes and some jet fuel :rolleyes:
In February 2005, The Windsor building in Madrid (pictured) burned for over 24 hours as shooting flames engulfed almost the entire structure and yet the building did not collapse. The core of the WTC was exponentially more robust than the Windsor building. So we have one building that burned incessantly for over 24 hours and did not fall, compared to two buildings which were structurally far superior, burned briefly from limited fires, and yet both collapsed within an average time of 79 minutes.
yup... still standing |
well now that youve done your research....... how about not being a ing moron and compare apples to apples. windsor building is a REINFORCED CONCRETE STRUCTURE USING A COLUMN AND TWO WAY SLAB DESIGN.... concrete is very very very resistant to fire dammage, the concrete insulates the steel reinforcement
the WTC towers were STEEL FRAME CONSTRUCTION. this means that you have an exterior "skeleton" made up of large steel girders and columns, from which you "hang" reinforced concrete slabs... the difference being that the steel is exposed in the WTC and the steel is the primary load carrier. in reinforced concrete, the steel carries none of the load, it merely acts as strain resistance... a quick lesson in strucutral concrete design
Concrete is stupidly strong in compression for a non homogenus cast in place material, however it can only withstand 0.0035 mm/mm of strain or elongation if you will, once it passes this mark, the concrete hits what is known as a modulus of rupture and explodes. the steel however will hold the concrete together, it provides tensile resistance to concrete and will allow the concrete to handle a much higher load in both compression and tension (flexture) than non reinforced concrete. |
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| colonelcrisp |
while the empire state building is tall, its not that tall. the higher up you go, the more the building is affected by things like fire... lets put it this way, at the top of the WTC towers the wind blowing into the buring building turns it into the environment similar to that of an oxygen blast furnace.. drastically increasing the heat.
as for the "traces of thermate found" the only traces you are going to find is the acelrants added to the the thermite mixture, and lets face it, they arent exactly rare elements to find especially around rubble from steel and concrete.
the thermite theory is total bull, no amateur video footage or crack pot physist can prove otherwise. the sheer volume required is just incomprehensible.
and for the record those thermite grenades you were speaking of, the military uses them to disable field artilery, the most dammage they can muster is welding the breach shut, not melting through it, that would require too much thermite. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| colonel crisp, you are a ing champion :) |
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| colonelcrisp |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
colonel crisp, you are a ing champion :) |
sorry i just cant help myself when i read all the factless dribble that perversly pours onto the keyboards of these conspiracy theorists. im not an expert, but 6 years of structural engineering education and workterms does keep me on top of my game :D |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
sorry i just cant help myself when i read all the factless dribble that perversly pours onto the keyboards of these conspiracy theorists. im not an expert, but 6 years of structural engineering education and workterms does keep me on top of my game :D |
You mean to tell me that my 4 years of university, my hatred of all things America, my paid subscriptions to infowars.com, my inability to accept the fact that a bunch of radicals hijacked planes, the fact that I have only lived on this earth less than the towers stood, the fact that I have lived off of my parents money for the past 20 years and the ability to quote Chumpsky does not make me an expert on structural engineering??:eek: Damn it... well I guess I still have the Roswell thing going for me..
ha ha ha ha
crisp is da man |
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| colonelcrisp |
| quote: | Originally posted by LazFX
You mean to tell me that my 4 years of university, my hatred of all things America, my paid subscriptions to infowars.com, my inability to accept the fact that a bunch of radicals hijacked planes, the fact that I have only lived on this earth less than the towers stood, the fact that I have lived off of my parents money for the past 20 years and the ability to quote Chumpsky does not make me an expert on structural engineering??:eek: Damn it... well I guess I still have the Roswell thing going for me..
ha ha ha ha
crisp is da man |
in the words of the ragin cajun.... i have nothing to say..... that was well, perfect.... |
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| LazFX |
As in his belief of a 9/11 cover up, the Baker ignores the obvious. |
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| donnybrasco |
OMG. This thread was never locked or died?
Scary. :nervous: |
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| colonelcrisp |
| quote: | Originally posted by donnybrasco
OMG. This thread was never locked or died?
Scary. :nervous: |
NB4DALOCK ?? |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
while the empire state building is tall, its not that tall. the higher up you go, the more the building is affected by things like fire... lets put it this way, at the top of the WTC towers the wind blowing into the buring building turns it into the environment similar to that of an oxygen blast furnace.. drastically increasing the heat.
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That's a nice little theory. Unfortunately, a simple statement backed up by no evidence won't make me beleive it. And don't bother trying to find a similar example. The closest one's I can think of, was a) the B25 bomber crashing into the Empire State Building, and b) the building in Madrid that burned for over a week (or something close to that). In both cases, the structural integrity of the building were not compromised and the didn't collapse, especially in a manner that looks exactly like a controlled demolition. The tower's came down at nearly freefall speed. And the obvious implication of that is the extremely low probability (more like impossiblity) of the pancake theory.
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
as for the "traces of thermate found" the only traces you are going to find is the acelrants added to the the thermite mixture, and lets face it, they arent exactly rare elements to find especially around rubble from steel and concrete. |
Yeah, it's not exactly a rare substance to find in the rubble of a controlled demolition. You care to elaborate on other probable causes as to why it would be present in samples of the support beams for the WTC? Plus the yellow hot molten steel goes hand in hand with a thermite reaction.
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
the thermite theory is total bull, no amateur video footage or crack pot physist can prove otherwise. |
Now that a very compelling argument. Thermite with accelerants (like sulphut if I recall correcrlty?) are more than capable of melting through steel. Apparently you haven't read through the rest of this thread. Ogvh5150 posted a video from google video (or utube) which explains in simple terms and demonstrates how thermate easily cuts through steel. I find it hard to believe that you're actually debating that thermate can't cut through structural steel.
| quote: | Originally posted by colonelcrisp
the sheer volume required is just incomprehensible. |
Uh-huh, something that the military industrial complex and Intelligence agencies are incapable of right?
EDIT: 2 more things you might want to look into (or gloss over?):
1) The evidence was ILLEGALY removed (majroity of the steel melted and sold to China)
2) The architect and engineers of the WTC specifically designed and over engineered the structural integrity of the Twin Towers to be able to withstand multiple airline hits from a 707. |
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