James Moore, co-author of "Bush's Brain" and "The Architect," has no doubt "that Karl [Rove] was running the 9-11 Commission"
Last Sunday, on "Live from the Left Coast" on KPFK in Los Angeles, Ian Masters had on James Moore the co-author of "Bush's Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential" and, more recently, "The Architect: Karl Rove and the Dream of Absolute Power."
I decided to call up and draw out the connections among the allegations made in Philip Shenon's book "The Commission," and the follow up by Philly 9-11 Truth (see: Karl Rove Is Questioned About His Involvement With the 9/11 Commission by Philly 9/11 Truth )
Me: "...I think that this is a very crucial sort-of connection for Karl Rove, because that Commission was highly manipulated and, if it was manipulated and it was a cover-up, then, under Article III Section 3 of the Constitution, I think we can consider it a treasonous cover-up."
James Moore: "I don't have any doubt that Karl was running the 9-11 Commission. And, obviously, the people who were the key people on that, Jeremy, were appointed by the Bush administration, were beholden to the Bush administration, obviously there were some Democrats on there. But the people in charge, the people who were issuing and writing the reports and saying "let's look at this evidence and let's not look at this evidence," were people who reported to Karl."
Another caller, at about 50:15, asks: "To the degree, as was pointed out, the 9-11 Commission was basically answering to Karl Rove, doesn't that, again, cause us to want to look more deeply at what the hell were they covering up?"
Moore responds: "Well it certainly should. I want to know. You know, I don't buy into the conspiracy theories obviously and I don't think most folks do. But the more the 9-11 Commission covers up and redacts information about Saudi Arabia and the money for these terrorist groups and saying it's going to harm our relationship with an important ally, the more that the 9-11 Commission covers up, just as the more people the Warren Commission failed to interview in the Kennedy assassination, the more it gives life to conspiracy theory and urban myth. And ultimately the truth can come up and whack us upside the head and we don't believe it anymore. So, you know the 9-11 Commission is doing America a great disservice. If there is anything that has sustained our democracy, it's been the fact that we hang our dirty laundry out in the air for everybody to see and then we decide that it's dirty and we go clean it. And we're not doing that in this process."
Then Ian Masters says: "Well it's a no-brainer to say that the 9-11 Commission failed. I think everybody knows that And including the two heads of the 9-11 Commission- they came out subsequent to its publication and said "we were lied to by the Department of Defense and by the FAA" and that the full story's not being told. So, I mean to take that obvious point and then to turn that into that it was, you know, all that other stuff they talk about is just surreal."
What is really surreal that these two supposed intellectuals, who have probably not even looked at the full array of facts about the most crucial event of the 21st century, cling to their state-sponsored myth about OBL+KSM+19 while breezily admitting the true story is being covered up, potentially in a treasonous manner. What then do you think IS being covered up Mr. Masters? Incompetence? Pakistani funding of the hijackers? Is that why the two Israeli operatives caught at the Mexican Parliament with Glock 9mm's, grenades and other explosives, had Pakistani passports. Silly Pakistanis, imitating Israelis again while attempting to frame themselves.
Again, see:
Speaking with Michael Medved about 10/10, 9/11 and the Involvement of the Deep Israeli State
and
Medved hypocritically blind to Israeli false-flag terrorism: Says 10-10-01 terror attempt is "bogus story," "never happened"
I'm starting to get tired of footing around the question of cover-up and new investigations. I'm going to start laying it out as I see it with facts that back it up. To me, it looks like 9-11 was a false-flag psyop sponsored by treasonous criminals in the US government, operationally conducted by Israeli covert operatives. And I'm going to just start saying it and seeing how people react on the radio and in some truthsquads.
Obviously, Mr. Masters, and most of his guests, still need schooling on the facts of 9-11- you know, those stubborn things. It is usually a pretty good show that Masters hosts on Sunday morning on KPFK ( www.kpfk.org ) from 11am-1pm PST (818-985-5735). He ordinarily takes calls towards the last half of the second hour "Live from the Left Coast." Remind him that, as Aldous Huxley remarked, "facts don't cease to exist because they are ignored."
You can also go hear the rest of the taped dialogue with Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, played on last week's show, where I was able finally, after Masters interrupted me, to ask him this question about supporting a new 9-11 Commission:
Interestingly, and I'm no conspiracy theorist you know, my question was one of two that were unluckily cut out because of sound problems. Honestly though, I heard the recording beginning to skip. Listen to the end where Wilkerson identifies 6 people who he thinks can be prosecuted, including John Yoo, David Addington and Douglas Feith. Interesting that he completely leaves out the P and VP. Treason, as I have said before, is so like whatever these days in DC huh?!
Lira
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Originally posted by culorut
I just do not find mocking the lives of 3000 innocent people funny, no matter how cool you and some others might think it might be.
You really didn't get the joke, did you?
Trancer-X
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Originally posted by Lira
You really didn't get the joke, did you?
I can't speak for anyone but myself but I don't think that you're going to find too many of us joking in this thread.
Trancer-X
It's good to see someone's local news channel actually talking about it :)
jerZ07002
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Originally posted by Trancer-X
I can't speak for anyone but myself but I don't think that you're going to find too many of us joking in this thread.
The city where i live lost 20+ people on 9/11 (including some i know), i went to school in NYC, i work in NYC, and i found that video funny. what's more insulting to people who lived through the situation is all the conspiracy theories.
Trancer-X
I think it's time to start setting the record straight because there are a lot of scumbags out there who would rather argue from ignorance over this whole thing.
July 9, 2003: ’Jersey Girls’ Lambast Zelikow over Author’s Testimony Linking 9/11 to Iraqi Government
While some find neoconservative author Laurie Mylroie’s testimony before the 9/11 Commission of a terrorist conspiracy between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda to be compelling (see July 9, 2003), others do not. One group that is not convinced is the so-called “Jersey Girls,” the group of widows who lost their husbands in the 9/11 attacks and then worked to force the Bush administration to create the Commission (see March 31, 2003). They lambast Commission director Philip Zelikow for allowing Mylroie to testify. “Jersey Girl” Lorie Van Auken, who has learned a great deal about Mylroie’s theories in her research, confronts Zelikow shortly after the hearings. “That took a lot of nerve putting someone like that on the panel,” she tells Zelikow. “Laurie Mylroie? This is supposed to be an investigation of September 11. This is not supposed to be a sales pitch for the Iraq war.” Van Auken later recalls “a sly smile” crossing Zelikow’s face, as he refuses to answer. “He knew exactly what he was doing,” Van Auken will say. “He was selling the war.” After the hearing, Zelikow informs the staff that he wants them to aggressively pursue the idea of a link between Iraq and al-Qaeda. Author Philip Shenon will later write, “To some members of the staff, Zelikow seemed determined to demonstrate that whatever the evidence to the contrary, Iraq and al-Qaeda had a close relationship that justified the toppling of Saddam Hussein.”
Originally posted by Trancer-X
It's good to see someone's local news channel actually talking about it :)
the only reason the news carried that is because Minnesota's former governor made the statement. It had nothing to do with the actual theory, just that ventura believes in the theory.
now that i think about it, since ventura believes the US government was in on it, that theory must be true. come the on, that guy was a professional wrestler.
i don't know if this was posted previously, but it's a good read from a reputable source.
Originally posted by jerZ07002
the only reason the news carried that is because Minnesota's former governor made the statement. It had nothing to do with the actual theory, just that ventura believes in the theory.
now that i think about it, since ventura believes the US government was in on it, that theory must be true. come the on, that guy was a professional wrestler.
i don't know if this was posted previously, but it's a good read from a reputable source.
This only makes me even more embarrassed that my state elected that guy.
jerZ07002
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Originally posted by Trancer-X
I think it's time to start setting the record straight because there are a lot of scumbags out there who would rather argue from ignorance over this whole thing.
July 9, 2003: ’Jersey Girls’ Lambast Zelikow over Author’s Testimony Linking 9/11 to Iraqi Government
While some find neoconservative author Laurie Mylroie’s testimony before the 9/11 Commission of a terrorist conspiracy between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda to be compelling (see July 9, 2003), others do not. One group that is not convinced is the so-called “Jersey Girls,” the group of widows who lost their husbands in the 9/11 attacks and then worked to force the Bush administration to create the Commission (see March 31, 2003). They lambast Commission director Philip Zelikow for allowing Mylroie to testify. “Jersey Girl” Lorie Van Auken, who has learned a great deal about Mylroie’s theories in her research, confronts Zelikow shortly after the hearings. “That took a lot of nerve putting someone like that on the panel,” she tells Zelikow. “Laurie Mylroie? This is supposed to be an investigation of September 11. This is not supposed to be a sales pitch for the Iraq war.” Van Auken later recalls “a sly smile” crossing Zelikow’s face, as he refuses to answer. “He knew exactly what he was doing,” Van Auken will say. “He was selling the war.” After the hearing, Zelikow informs the staff that he wants them to aggressively pursue the idea of a link between Iraq and al-Qaeda. Author Philip Shenon will later write, “To some members of the staff, Zelikow seemed determined to demonstrate that whatever the evidence to the contrary, Iraq and al-Qaeda had a close relationship that justified the toppling of Saddam Hussein.”
what was the point of that? i don't think there was a link between al-qaeda and hussein. hussein wasn't a stupid man, and he certainly would have known that the US would attack if he was linked to an attack against the US.
jerZ07002
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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
This only makes me even more embarrassed that my state elected that guy.
i feel for you. although my state elected a governor who had a gay affair with an israeli "defense expert" while in office. that's pretty embarrassing also.
Lira
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Originally posted by Trancer-X
I can't speak for anyone but myself but I don't think that you're going to find too many of us joking in this thread.
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Originally posted by jerZ07002
The city where i live lost 20+ people on 9/11 (including some i know), i went to school in NYC, i work in NYC, and i found that video funny. what's more insulting to people who lived through the situation is all the conspiracy theories.
Which is the reason why the video is funny. The joke has little to do with the 11th of September. Laughing at that would be really harsh. But, the point in question is that these theories are so far-fetched, they're nonsensical... that video is almost a summary of this thread. Really, if it weren't for Imre Lakatos, I'd have no idea of how these theories managed to survive this long.
