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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 118)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| ^^ yeah, its ridiculous how these children think government(s) work. obviously no experience in the real world; learn everything they know from disreputable websites :haha: |
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| SuspicionVandit |
:/ i was hoping Purdue had released the code under FreeGNU (open-source) so that we would be able to review/revise any engineering/chemical/physical inconsistencies. I couldn't find one :/
are they liscensing it to some playstation2 game? |
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| colonelcrisp |
| quote: | Originally posted by SuspicionVandit
:/ i was hoping Purdue had released the code under FreeGNU (open-source) so that we would be able to review/revise any engineering/chemical/physical inconsistencies. I couldn't find one :/
are they liscensing it to some playstation2 game? |
even if they did, only a very experienced strucutral engineer who happens to be a good programmer as well would be able to find the flaws.... it would all be numerical calculations (numerical integrations etc) as opposed to common structural design equations. so it would be very hard to analyze. |
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| culorut |
Have fun debunking this one.
FBI Knowingly Allowed Bin Laden To Personally Charter Flight After 9/11
Newly released documents prove agency let Osama's family go at his request without even questioning them.
The FBI were aware that Osama Bin Laden may have chartered one of the flights that took Bin Laden family members out of the U.S. in the days after the 9/11 attacks, yet allowed the planes to depart without even questioning them, new Agency documents reveal.
While all other air traffic had been grounded for days by the authorities they knowingly allowed the immediate family of their prime suspect behind the attacks to get into planes and fly out at Bin Laden's own request.
The previously confidential documents (PDF link) have been obtained by Judicial Watch through the Freedom of Information Act and ongoing litigation.
The documents state:
ON 9/19/01, A 727 PLANE LEFT LAX, RYAN FLT #441 TO ORLANDO, FL W/ETA (estimated time of arrival) OF 4-5PM. THE PLANE WAS CHARTERED EITHER BY THE SAUDI ARABIAN ROYAL FAMILY OR OSAMA BIN LADEN…THE LA FBI SEARCHED THE PLANE [REDACTED] LUGGAGE, OF WHICH NOTHING UNUSUAL WAS FOUND.
Traffic control reports show that the plane made four stops to pick up passengers and was then allowed to depart the United States for Paris where all passengers disembarked on 9/20/01.
The documents reveal that the FBI did not consider a single Saudi national nor any of the Bin Laden family worthy of investigative value.
Asked about the document's assertion that either bin Laden or the Saudi royals ordered the flight, an FBI spokesman said the information was inaccurate.
"There is no new information here. Osama bin Laden did not charter a
flight out of the US," FBI special agent Richard Kolko said.
"This is just an inflammatory headline by Judicial Watch to catch
people's attention. This was thoroughly investigated by the FBI."
Meredith Diliberto, an attorney with Judicial Watch, says her group has seen a first version of the documents in 2005, although the FBI had heavily redacted the texts to black out names, including all references to bin Laden.
Nevertheless, unedited footnotes in the texts allowed lawyers to
determine that bin Laden's name had been redacted.
They pressed the issue in court and on November 2006, the FBI was
ordered to re-release the documents.
http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007...m?section=world |
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| culorut |
| quote: | | even if they did, only a very experienced strucutral engineer who happens to be a good programmer as well would be able to find the flaws.... it would all be numerical calculations (numerical integrations etc) as opposed to common structural design equations. so it would be very hard to analyze. |
Wrong.
Prof. Popescu who designed animation software himself points out FLAWS in the simulation.
Page 6
http://www.cs.purdue.edu/cgvlab/pap...scuWTCVIS07.pdf
Obviously this poor attempt at trying to push the official BS story failed.
I cannot find any paper that would describe how and how much of the fireproofing was dislodged.
Has the Purdue's study been peer-reviewed and/or published? |
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| culorut |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
you have NO idea how the world works child :stongue: |
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Almost, err, do not feed the trolls. |
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| culorut |
This is a good read.
New 9/11 Study Has Direct Links To Government
"Independent" study financed by Feds
A newly released Purdue University animation showing how fire caused the collapse of the World Trade Center towers on 9/11 claims to be independent but in reality has been federally funded and was conducted by individuals with direct links to the Pentagon and the White House.
Earlier this week we covered the news that the new study roughly correlates with the findings of the 2005 National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) report and supports the official line that the airplanes stripped away crucial fireproofing material and that the weakened towers collapsed under their own weight.
While the New York Times today lauds the study as "a counterpoint to the conspiracy theories promulgated by such outspoken figures as Rosie O’Donnell", Prisonplanet.com has actually done some research into the origins of the study.
In addition to the inerrant flaws and conflicts we pointed out in our previous article, it has now come to light that the so called "independent" structural engineers behind the study are anything but.
The Study was funded by the National Science Foundation (NSF), a federal agency created by Congress in 1950 "to promote the progress of science; to advance the national health, prosperity, and welfare; to secure the national defense…".
The board of the NSF was appointed by George W. Bush and confirmed by the United States Senate. Its director, Dr. Arden L. Bement Jr, has worked for the Department of defense, where he was under secretary for research and engineering, and DARPA (the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency), which is responsible for the development of new technology for use by the military and famed for its black op projects and offshoot offices.
Last year the Bush Administration doubled the NSF's budget to $6.02 billion.
At the time Arden L. Bement, Jr. stated:
"This is a great day for NSF, and that means it's a great day for the nation, there has been a lot of rhetoric about doubling the NSF budget, but now the Administration is behind it. The FY 2007 Budget Request is the first installment. We are grateful to the Administration for its recognition and leadership,"
In addition it turns out that structural engineer Mete Sozen, the lead investigator in the Purdue study, was also on the American Society of Civil Engineers research team that confirmed the government's story about the OKC bombing in 1995, despite the huge amounts of inconsistencies and conflicting testimony.
Coincidence?
From the ASCE web site
Mete A. Sozen, Ph.D., S.E.
Kettlehut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering, Purdue University
Specialty: Behavior of reinforced-concrete structures
Dr. Sozen is currently the Kettlehut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering at Purdue University in West Lafayette, Ind. Prior to joining Purdue in 1994, Dr. Sozen was a professor of civil engineering at the University of Illinois for over 35 years. Dr. Sozen also served on the ASCE team that studied the Murrah Federal Office Building collapse.
So while it claims to be independent the study was in fact funded by the government and carried out by long time government hired hands. The study clearly set out not to attempt to discover anything new but to prove the preconceived official fire theory.
Again this underscores the fact that a truly independent investigation into 9/11 is the only way the mountains of evidence pointing towards a controlled demolition will even be considered. |
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| colonelcrisp |
maybe its time you morons provide us with a list of credible persons who have never done a report for a government agency........ so that we can burry this controlled demolition nonsense forever
and for the record.... releasing a study by competent individuals in support of a previous theory is called experimental reproduction, and is a key factor in proving a theory to be true and accurate. |
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| Philby |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
However, the website TRUTHORLIES.ORG believes that the simulation "raises more questions then answers."
Josh Reeves and Mike Swenson write, "The following statement was used in the Purdue simulation: 'The weight of the aircraft's fuel, when ignited, acted like a flash flood of flaming liquid.' This is a direct contradiction of the FEMA report (which can be viewed HERE) which stated: 'despite the huge fireballs caused by the two planes crashing into the WTC towers each with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel, the fireballs did not explode or create a shock wave that would have resulted in structural damage.'”
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what does that mean? the animation report describes a flash flood of burning liquid. you say it is wrong because it is a direct contradiction of the fema report saying the fuel did not explode or create shockwaves. why is that relevant? the animation report didnt say there would be an explosion or a shockwave. they said a flood of burning liquid.
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| colonelcrisp |
| quote: | Originally posted by Philby
what does that mean? the animation report describes a flash flood of burning liquid. you say it is wrong because it is a direct contradiction of the fema report saying the fuel did not explode or create shockwaves. why is that relevant? the animation report didnt say there would be an explosion or a shockwave. they said a flood of burning liquid.
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you can't rationalize with the irrational, and you can't debate with idiots.... |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
i love it how FEMA's analysis is acceptable when (supposedly) discrediting research done by normal people, but thoroughly dismissed when it contradicts the crazy nutbags :haha:
the entire movement are a bunch of ill-informed hypocrites. |
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