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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 298)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
So culorut has found evidence of thermite that proves planes did not hit the Twin Towers... but he also has evidence that proves planes did hit the Twin Towers... and he wonders why people have a hard time believing anything he says. |
Cretinrot wouldn't be able to find his own if his life depended on it. He's just a conspiracy sheep posting long-winded garbage he doesn't come close to understanding. The fact he's still banging on about thermite is but one tiny fraction of his dishonesty. |
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| culorut |
| quote: | | I love it. There were intelligence warnings that an AQ attack would occur, which is evidence that a terrorist attack didn't really occur, because it was an inside job! |
Alqaeda and the CIA are essentially one, that makes the CIA the terrorists. When the CIA was warned countless times of the 9/11 attack they did nothing because they had to make it happen. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
Alqaeda and the CIA are essentially one, |
completely wrong. |
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| culorut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
So culorut has found evidence of thermite that proves planes did not hit the Twin Towers... but he also has evidence that proves planes did hit the Twin Towers... and he wonders why people have a hard time believing anything he says. |
I never said that no planes never hit the towers you did. All the events you saw on 9/11 did happen, it's just what they omitted from the public which is important. Not that you can understand any of it anyhow. |
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| culorut |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Cretinrot wouldn't be able to find his own if his life depended on it. He's just a conspiracy sheep posting long-winded garbage he doesn't come close to understanding. The fact he's still banging on about thermite is but one tiny fraction of his dishonesty. |
The fact that you are still here posting comments like this shows the troll that you are and always will be. |
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| culorut |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
completely wrong. |
Not really.
What the 9/11 commission report ignores: the CIA-Al Qaeda connection
The report of the national commission investigating the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, released July 22, is a lengthy document that deserves careful study. It will be the subject of extended analysis on the World Socialist Web Site. But it is already possible, on the basis of the commission’s composition, the scope of the investigation, and the media coverage surrounding the release of the report, to draw certain definite conclusions.
On the most basic level, the 9/11 report is a whitewash. The 567-page document is filled with criticisms of the Bush and Clinton administrations and the performance of the government agencies responsible for intelligence, national security and emergency response. But the commission attributes all of these failures to incompetence, mismanagement, or “failure of imagination.” The fundamental premise of its investigation is that the CIA, the FBI, the US military and the Bush White House all acted in good faith.
The 9/11 report thus excludes, a priori, the most important question raised by the events of September 11, 2001: did US government agencies deliberately permit—or actively assist—the carrying out of this terrorist atrocity, in order to provide the Bush administration with the necessary pretext to carry out its program of war in Central Asia and the Middle East and a huge buildup of the forces of state repression at home.
The commission concedes, as is well documented, that the Bush administration came into office focused on overthrowing Saddam Hussein, and that operational planning for a war with Iraq began within days of September 11, despite the absence of any connection between the Baghdad regime and the terrorist attacks, and the longstanding enmity between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.
The commission heard testimony, from former Clinton and Bush counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke, that the Bush administration stalled on taking action against Al Qaeda during its first eight months in office, despite increasingly strident warnings from Clarke, CIA Director George Tenet, and other intelligence officials that a major Al Qaeda strike against the United States was in the offing. Bush himself received the now-notorious August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief from the CIA, which was entitled, “Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within the United States.” But the president told the commission he could not recall taking any action as a result. (He continued his vacation at his Texas ranch for another four weeks).
The 9/11 report lists 10 separate occasions where US government agencies let slip what it called “operational opportunities” to detect and potentially disrupt the September 11 plot. These involved far more than a failure to “connect the dots.” Intelligence officials took actions that served to facilitate the 9/11 plot—in effect, running interference for Al Qaeda.
The rest,
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/j.../comm-j24.shtml |
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| culorut |
A little more,
When Osama Bin Laden Was Tim Osman
The two men headed to the Hilton Hotel in Sherman Oaks, California in the late Spring of 1986
were on their way to meet representatives of the mujahadeen, the Afghan fighters resisting the
Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
One of the two, Ted Gunderson, had had a distinguished career in the FBI, serving as some sort
of supervisor over Special Agents in the early 60s, as head of the Dallas field office from 1973-75,
and as head of the Los Angeles field office from 1977-1979. He retired to become an investigator
for, among others, well-known attorney F. Lee Bailey. And all along the way, Gunderson, whether
or not actually a CIA contract agent, had been around to provide services to various CIA and
National Security Council operations, as he was doing now.
In more recent years Gunderson was to become controversial for his investigations into child
prostitution rings, after he became convinced of the innocence of an Army medical doctor named
Jeffrey McDonald, who had been convicted of the murder of his wife and three young children in
the 1970s. This has led to various attempts by the patrons and operators of the child prostitution
industry to smear Gunderson's reputation.
Michael Riconosciuto was there to discuss assisting the mujahadeen with MANPADs—Man
Portable Air Defense Systems. Stinger missiles were one possibility. If the U.S. would permit their
export, Riconosciuto could modify the Stinger's electronics, so the guided missile would still be
effective against Soviet aircraft, but would not be a threat to U.S. or NATO forces.
But Riconosciuto had another idea. Through his connections with the Chinese industrial and
military group Norinco, he could obtain the basic components for the unassembled Chinese 107 MM rocket system. These could be
reconfigured into a man-portable, shoulder-fired, anti-aircraft guided missile sytem, and
produced in Pakistan at a facility called the Pakistan Ordinance Works. The mujahadeen would
then have a lethal weapon against Soviet helicopter, observation, and transport aircraft.
Riconosciuto was more than just an expert on missile electronics; he was also an expert on
electronic computers and associated subjects such as cryptology (see my
"Michael Riconosciuto on Encryption").
Riconosciuto was a prodigy who had grown up in the spook community. The Riconosciuto family
had once run Hercules, California, as a company town. In the early days (1861) a company called
California Powder Works had been established in Santa Cruz, CA. It later purchased land on
San Pablo Bay, and in 1881 started producing dynamite, locating buildings in gullies and ravines for
safety purposes. A particularly potent type of black powder was named "Hercules Powder", which
gave the name to the town of Hercules, formally incorporated in 1900. In World War I, Hercules
became the largest producer of TNT in the U.S. Hercules, however, had gotten out of the explosives
business by 1940 when an anhydrous ammonia plant was constructed. In 1959 Hercules began
a new manufacturing facility to produce methanol, formaldehyde, and urea formaldehyde. In 1966
the plant was sold to Valley Nitrogen Producers. Labor problems led to a plant closure in 1977.
In 1979 the plant and site was purchased by a group of investors calling themselves Hercules
Properties, Ltd.
However, Michael and his father Marshall Riconosciuto, a friend of Richard Nixon, continued to
run the Hercules Research Corporation. In the early 1980s Michael also served as the Director of
Research for a joint venture between the Wackenhut Corporation of Coral Gables, Florida, and the
Cabazon Band of Indians in Indio, California.
Riconosciuto's talents were much in demand. He had created the a-neutronic bomb (or
"Electro-Hydrodynamic Gaseous Fuel Device"), which sank the ground level of the Nevada test
site by 30 feet when a prototype was tested. Samuel Cohen, the inventor of the neutron bomb,
said of Riconosciuto: "I've spoken to Michael Riconosciuto (the inventor of the a-neutronic bomb)
and he's an extraordinarily bright guy. I also have a hunch, which I can't prove, that they both
(Riconosciuto and Lavos, his partner) indirectly work for the CIA."
http://www.orlingrabbe.com/binladin_timosman.htm |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
Not really.
What the 9/11 commission report ignores: the CIA-Al Qaeda connection
The report of the national commission investigating the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, released July 22, is a lengthy document that deserves careful study. It will be the subject of extended analysis on the World Socialist Web Site. But it is already possible, on the basis of the commission’s composition, the scope of the investigation, and the media coverage surrounding the release of the report, to draw certain definite conclusions.
On the most basic level, the 9/11 report is a whitewash. The 567-page document is filled with criticisms of the Bush and Clinton administrations and the performance of the government agencies responsible for intelligence, national security and emergency response. But the commission attributes all of these failures to incompetence, mismanagement, or “failure of imagination.” The fundamental premise of its investigation is that the CIA, the FBI, the US military and the Bush White House all acted in good faith.
The 9/11 report thus excludes, a priori, the most important question raised by the events of September 11, 2001: did US government agencies deliberately permit—or actively assist—the carrying out of this terrorist atrocity, in order to provide the Bush administration with the necessary pretext to carry out its program of war in Central Asia and the Middle East and a huge buildup of the forces of state repression at home.
The commission concedes, as is well documented, that the Bush administration came into office focused on overthrowing Saddam Hussein, and that operational planning for a war with Iraq began within days of September 11, despite the absence of any connection between the Baghdad regime and the terrorist attacks, and the longstanding enmity between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.
The commission heard testimony, from former Clinton and Bush counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke, that the Bush administration stalled on taking action against Al Qaeda during its first eight months in office, despite increasingly strident warnings from Clarke, CIA Director George Tenet, and other intelligence officials that a major Al Qaeda strike against the United States was in the offing. Bush himself received the now-notorious August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Brief from the CIA, which was entitled, “Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within the United States.” But the president told the commission he could not recall taking any action as a result. (He continued his vacation at his Texas ranch for another four weeks).
The 9/11 report lists 10 separate occasions where US government agencies let slip what it called “operational opportunities” to detect and potentially disrupt the September 11 plot. These involved far more than a failure to “connect the dots.” Intelligence officials took actions that served to facilitate the 9/11 plot—in effect, running interference for Al Qaeda.
The rest,
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/j.../comm-j24.shtml |
Gee, I would've expected more from the socialists :(
And its hilarious that you accuse the CIA of running al qaida, when here you've posted that its director was trying to warn of impending attack.
There's nothing in that post that indicate the CIA run the loosely-defined outfit of al qaida. |
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| culorut |
| quote: | | There's nothing in that post that indicate the CIA run the loosely-defined outfit of al qaida. |
The CIA created Al Qaeda you ing idiot. What exactly don't you understand?
Bin Laden and Al Qaeda created by CIA, Bush both Sr & Jr head CIA, Bush's financed by Saudi's.
Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are direct creations of western intelligence as we have thoroughly documented. Al Qaeda itself was a joint CIA/ISI intelligence database of mujahudeen fighters they had recruited in the late 70s and eighties to fight the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
ISI is deeply involved with such CIA activities. Bin Laden even had an ISI Running Officer, who also worked closely with the Taliban in Afghanistan who were heavily sponsored by ISI operatives before 9/11.
The head of the ISI at the time, General Mahmoud Ahmad was, according to the FBI and as confirmed by various news reports at the time, a principle financier of the 19 alleged 9/11 hijackers. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| wrong. the CIA had exactly nothing to do with bin laden during the soviet invasion. repeating this lie constantly doesn't make it any more truthful. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by culorut
I never said that no planes never hit the towers you did. All the events you saw on 9/11 did happen, it's just what they omitted from the public which is important. Not that you can understand any of it anyhow. |
So in your opinion, planes hit the WTC buildings (and the Pentagon), but the CIA decided to blow them up with thermite anyway just for redundancy's sake? And then United 93 never happened?
Your story's about as straight as a fractured penis. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
So in your opinion, planes hit the WTC buildings (and the Pentagon), but the CIA decided to blow them up with thermite anyway just for redundancy's sake? And then United 93 never happened?
Your story's about as straight as a fractured penis. |
don't forget my favourite: flight 77 didn't hit the pentagon. that one takes the cake for me. |
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