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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (pg. 18)
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Yeah you lost me the moment you tried to flame me and still continue. Winning of hearts and minds is not your cup of tea. Stick to your tiesto fan threads.
Why not just lie that person x had or did something and invade their country. Oh wait deja vu all over again. |
ok you refuse to answer...so inturn you make yourself look foolish and defeated...i am done with you...maybe Psygnosis will answer and further this debate. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
LOL you are such a big man, BIG man. What you can't stand is the fact that your wrong so your ego is showing that you don't like being proven wrong. Poor little boy. |
Not at all...i will admit when i am wrong....but i ahve to be PROVED wrong on anything by any of you. When i am i willl gladly inform you and you can rant and rave about it.
Do you need some links on where to seek therapy? i am sure i can provide you with a few. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
What is your question this time. |
You never answered any of them...forget it i am done. |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
You never answered any of them...forget it i am done. |
Don't run away. Ask the question. You claim I don't answer you but you're running off now.
Look man you're gonna be snowed in so you're in for the long haul. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Don't run away. Ask the question. You claim I don't answer you but you're running off now.
Look man you're gonna be snowed in so you're in for the long haul. |
you got that right...started already.
Go back and look for my questions...i beleive they were in my first post a few pages back..
And here is something for you:
Charles Ward, a former assistant of the leading Kennedy murder conspiracy theorist, Jim Garrison, described the way this method works as follows: "Garrison drew a conclusion and then organized the facts. And when the facts didn't fit, he liked to say that they'd been changed by the CIA." |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Go back and look for my questions...i beleive they were in my first post a few pages back.. |
Which is it? Questions or question?
You're just causing a circular argument if you want me to re-answer your questions. That is why I asked "what is your question" and "what is your question this time" clearly indictaing that I don't want to lose my place in your line of questioning.
But to entertain you:
| quote: | | quote: | | quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
why didnt they plant WMD in Iraq if they pulled of 9.11? |
Why would anyone want to plant WMD's in Iraq?
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| quote: | | quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
Are you serious? |
I thought you were.
| quote: | | most consporacy theorists, if not ALL, beleive Bush had a part in 9.11 to go to war with Iraq |
Hanging out in the gay bar saying you're not gay. Good one kiddo. Not only are you trying to debunk theories you're actually listening to them.
| quote: | | ...cus eventually he would go after them after Afghanistan...so if they did that to eventually end up in iraq why didnt they plant them to save face? |
I am not trying to make a connection with Iraq, Afghanistan and 9/11. There have been operatives that have ties to those subjects at hand but you have to actually do some reading into field reports and dossiers to understand. If the connections come up it is not my doing.
| quote: | | And if you do not think it was to plant them in Iraq, which i would find odd since all the sites u get yolur info from all point at the reason, then why were they behind 9.11? for fun? Now you beg a different question...why were they involved for what purpose? If not Iraq? |
I never implied that WMDs needed or had been planted. Why plant WMD's when you can claim they had some, invade, find none and claim bad intelligence. Oh wait they did that already.
This administration tried to tie Al-Qeada and Iraq together but recanted. |
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Where did you fail to get an answer? |
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| donnybrasco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psygnosis
If your little brain is so confident about this, show me some links thats proves this point or even slightly backs your dumbass ideas up? |
This is the MAIN problem with you conspiracy theorists right now in this "debate";
Forget the damn world wide web for a moment. There is FAR more evidence out there anyway showing 9-11 for exactly what it was; An Al Queda attack.
The point that Tiesto is making is that once you take away the quotes, pictures and propaganda from either the "pro" OR the "con" websites on this issue, what you're STILL left with is the simple, basic, and insurmountable issue of common sense...which you are completely ignorring in favor of what? Twisted web pages? So you trust everything you read on the web? Well, if you do, then there is no arguing with THAT kind of "common sense". ;) |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by donnybrasco
This is the MAIN problem with you conspiracy theorists right now in this "debate";
Forget the damn world wide web for a moment. There is FAR more evdidence out there anyway showing 9-11 for exactly what it was; An Al Queda attack.
The point that Tiesto is making is that once you take away the quotes, pictures and propaganda from either the "pro" OR the "con" websites on this issue, what you're STILL left with is the simple, basic, and insurmountable issue of common sense...which you are completely ignorring in favor of what? Twisted web pages? So you trust everything you read on the web? Well, if you do, then there is no arguing with THAT kind of "common sense". ;) |
OK so where are you getting your proof that Al Qeada did it? |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by donnybrasco
The point that Tiesto is making is that once you take away the quotes, pictures and propaganda from either the "pro" OR the "con" websites on this issue, what you're STILL left with is the simple, basic, and insurmountable issue of common sense...which you are completely ignorring in favor of what? Twisted web pages? So you trust everything you read on the web? Well, if you do, then there is no arguing with THAT kind of "common sense". ;) |
BINGO!!!!!
Thank You!!!! |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
OK so where are you getting your proof that Al Qeada did it? |
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/n...1/11/wbin11.xml
OSAMA BIN LADEN has for the first time admitted that his al-Qa'eda group carried out the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, the Telegraph can reveal.
In a previously undisclosed video which has been circulating for 14 days among his supporters, he confesses that "history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents".
In the footage, shot in the Afghan mountains at the end of October, a smiling bin Laden goes on to say that the World Trade Centre's twin towers were a "legitimate target" and the pilots who hijacked the planes were "blessed by Allah".
The killing of at least 4,537 people was justified, he claims, because they were "not civilians" but were working for the American system.
Bin Laden also makes a direct personal threat against Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, for the first time, and warns nations such as Australia, Germany and Japan to stay out of the conflict.
The video will form the centrepiece of Britain and America's new evidence against bin Laden, to be released this Wednesday.
The footage, to which the Telegraph obtained access in the Middle East yesterday, was not made for public release via the al-Jazeera television network used by bin Laden for propaganda purposes in the past. It is believed to be intended as a rallying call to al-Qa'eda members.
In the video, bin Laden says: "The Twin Towers were legitimate targets, they were supporting US economic power. These events were great by all measurement. What was destroyed were not only the towers, but the towers of morale in that country."
The hijackers were "blessed by Allah to destroy America's economic and military landmarks". He freely admits to being behind the attacks: "If avenging the killing of our people is terrorism then history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents and this is legal religiously and logically."
In a contradictory section, however, bin Laden justifies killing the occupants of the Twin Towers because they were not civilians - Islam forbids the killing of innocent civilians even in a holy war.
He says: "The towers were supposed to be filled with supporters of the economical powers of the United States who are abusing the world. Those who talk about civilians should change their stand and reconsider their position. We are treating them like they treated us."
Bin Laden goes on to justify his entire terror campaign. "There are two types of terror, good and bad. What we are practising is good terror. We will not stop killing them and whoever supports them."
He directly threatens the lives of President Bush and Mr Blair. "Bush and Blair don't understand anything but the power of force. Every time they kill us, we kill them, so the balance of terror can be achieved." He also calls on all Muslims to join him. "It is the duty of every Muslim to fight. Killing Jews is top priority."
Bin Laden warns other nations to keep out of the conflict, implying that they could face terror attacks if they do not.
In the video, he also claims responsibility for an unspecified terrorist outrage in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, which he claims was sparked by secret messages in one of his videos.
He admits for the first time using public pronouncements on video to whip up terrorism - a danger about which the British and American governments have warned broadcasters.
It is significant that throughout the video he uses the personal pronouns "I" and "we" to claim responsibility for the attacks. In the past, he has spoken of the attackers only in the third person.
Bin Laden has publicly issued four previous videos since September 11, always denying carrying out the atrocities.
He now claims to have access to nuclear and chemical weapons. Bin Laden made the claims on Friday night during an interview with the English language Pakistani newspaper Dawn.
He said: "If America used chemical or nuclear weapons against us, then we may retort with chemical and nuclear weapons. We have the weapons as deterrent."
Defence analysts dismissed these claims. They said that although bin Laden could have access to nuclear material through links with Pakistan or former Soviet republics, he was unlikely to have the technology to cause an explosion.
A Foreign Office spokesman said: "We know that he was looking for that capability. We believe he does not have it."
Emergency powers to imprison suspected international terrorists indefinitely using special closed courts will be announced this week. The measure, which will require exemption from human rights legislation, will be used to round up about 20 suspects hiding in Britain beyond the reach of existing laws. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
OK so where are you getting your proof that Al Qeada did it? |
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates...n_10-29-04.html
October 29, 2004, 5:10pm EDT
BIN LADEN ADMITS 9/11 RESPONSIBILITY, WARNS OF MORE ATTACKS
A tape aired by Al-Jazeera television Friday showed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden admitting for the first time that he orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and saying the United States could face more.
Bin Laden said he thought of the method of attacking U.S. skyscrapers when he saw Israeli aircraft bombing tower blocks in Lebanon in 1982.
"We decided to destroy towers in America," he said. "God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind."
In September 2003, Al-Jazeera aired a tape of bin Laden with his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri in which he mentions five Sept. 11 hijackers by name. |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by donnybrasco
So you trust everything you read on the web? |
teisto14:
Which is it? The net is full of facts or full of bunk? |
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