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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 100)
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| beno86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Israel doesn't want peace. It wants palestinian land exclusively for jews. |
hey ive got a slightly contreversial question for you can you name me one time in the enitre history of the world where the land known as palestine/judea/samaria/israel was ruled by the the palestinian people ?? where the first minister or the ruling goverment official was palestinians ? nope you cant becuase it doesnt exist yest the palestinians lived there but so did jews before 48 so its wasnt palestinians land .the palestians and jews were two groups living in british controlled palestine or before that turkey or before that egypt you can go as far back as you want but you wont find any trace of a palestian goverment ever. so stop calling it palestinians land .israel never kicked out the palestians most fled althought i must admit there is a legitimate case for refugee in some cases but israel tries a lot harder to solve it then most arabs countries do about solving their reufgee problems with jews that fled their countries . |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
could you name any other country that supports Israel and vetoes UN resolutions regarding Israel? |
Micronesia.
Ouch:thepirate |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by beno86
hey ive got a slightly contreversial question for you can you name me one time in the enitre history of the world where the land known as palestine/judea/samaria/israel was ruled by the the palestinian people ?? where the first minister or the ruling goverment official was palestinians ? nope you cant becuase it doesnt exist yest the palestinians lived there but so did jews before 48 so its wasnt palestinians land .the palestians and jews were two groups living in british controlled palestine or before that turkey or before that egypt you can go as far back as you want but you wont find any trace of a palestian goverment ever. so stop calling it palestinians land .israel never kicked out the palestians most fled althought i must admit there is a legitimate case for refugee in some cases but israel tries a lot harder to solve it then most arabs countries do about solving their reufgee problems with jews that fled their countries . |
You my friend...are an idiot!
It is the land of whoever lived there. And sorry to brake it to ya mate, but the people that lived there were (for the vast majority) the people we now call Palestinians (ie those Muslims and Christians that lived in British Mandate Palestine) who fled their homes in 48 and 67. Why should it matter whether they ruled themselves before? Why should it even matter if they fled because of the advancing armies? Is confiscating property actually the right thing to do just because people want to flee danger?! All the Palestinians, sorry, "Palestinians" that fled had the title deeds to prove that that was their property so it matters not who ruled them before or why they fled (and most of the Jews now in Israel were immigrants who never lived in Palestine)
But my personal opinion is that that is now all but irrelevent. The Palestinians refugees will never live in Israel. What I do think is relevent is that Israel withdraws completely from the occupied territories and let the Palestinians get on with building their own country up. Then maybe the refugees can live there. Its not a very nice thing for the refugees who dream of returning to where they once lived to accept, but I cant see any alternative... |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Escobar
I don't believe that is true...
But I do think that the same can be said about the Palestinians...
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and all other terrorist organizations that run the Palestinians have said that they will not stop until they drive all jews into the ocean...all they want is to kill "infidels" |
All they want to do is kill infidels? So why did the Muslims protect the Jews during the Crusades against the Christians?
And I think you'll find that the PLO, after Yom Kippur, changed their policy to one of an independent state in the occupied territories...
Also you are very wrong to talk about 'Palestinian terrorists' as if they are one harmonious entity cos they're not. The PLO commando groups (eg Fatah, PLFP, etc) aren't even Islamic! They used to go around smashing mosques up and disrupting prayers. They are the arch rivals of Hamas and IJ. I think now they are trying to patch things up but they've fought each other many times...
But I dont think either side is stupid enough to think that they can "conqure" Israel or drive the Jews into the sea and even if they do say that (when was it anyway 67?!) its rhetoric cos thats what their supporters want to hear. Rest assured, they know all they can get is the occupied territories... |
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| beno86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
You my friend...are an idiot!
It is the land of whoever lived there. And sorry to brake it to ya mate, but the people that lived there were (for the vast majority) the people we now call Palestinians (ie those Muslims and Christians that lived in British Mandate Palestine) who fled their homes in 48 and 67. Why should it matter whether they ruled themselves before? Why should it even matter if they fled because of the advancing armies? Is confiscating property actually the right thing to do just because people want to flee danger?! All the Palestinians, sorry, "Palestinians" that fled had the title deeds to prove that that was their property so it matters not who ruled them before or why they fled (and most of the Jews now in Israel were immigrants who never lived in Palestine)
But my personal opinion is that that is now all but irrelevent. The Palestinians refugees will never live in Israel. What I do think is relevent is that Israel withdraws completely from the occupied territories and let the Palestinians get on with building their own country up. Then maybe the refugees can live there. Its not a very nice thing for the refugees who dream of returning to where they once lived to accept, but I cant see any alternative... |
france in less then 15 years will have a arab majority does that mean that france is going to be an arab country?? |
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| beno86 |
on a side note just wondering george if your categorically against the existant of the state of israel or if your just against the goverments politics ?
as for your refugee thing certain lands do belong to them but many palestinians claim more then their lands in fact the official sign of the plo is a sign of the entire israel including cities like tel aviv which were built and founded by jews on desert land as i said before there is no easy solution but you can at leats say once more that israel tries a lot harder then any arab country to solve the refugee problem that they had |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by beno86
france in less then 15 years will have a arab majority does that mean that france is going to be an arab country?? |
Eh? What on earth does that have to do with anything? |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by beno86
on a side note just wondering george if your categorically against the existant of the state of israel or if your just against the goverments politics ?
as for your refugee thing certain lands do belong to them but many palestinians claim more then their lands in fact the official sign of the plo is a sign of the entire israel including cities like tel aviv which were built and founded by jews on desert land as i said before there is no easy solution but you can at leats say once more that israel tries a lot harder then any arab country to solve the refugee problem that they had |
No I'm not against the state of Israel. If I were alive at the time and was aware of what was going on then of course I would have been against it. However, I think once something has been established then there's no turning back after a certain point and people should just accept it and try and get on with their lives. However, this does not mean those responsible should be allowed to get away with it scott free. Israel should be forced to compensate every single refugee and should pay (altho I think this should be with the international community) for their rehousing in the occupied territories (ie good homes, infrastructures, etc)
You clearly dont have much information on the Israel-Palestinian situation other than ignorant prejudices. Are you even Israeli? If your not that might explain it, if you are then I suggest you grow up and read your own history. The PLO have the whole of "Israel" as that is their country!! Thats where they all lived so why have it any other way?! As for "cities Jews built" do you mean Hiafa too?!?! And thats beside the point, if you left your home now, and I broke in and declared that it was my home, would I be in the right? |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Micronesia.
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notice the AND | quote: | | that supports Israel and vetoes UN resolutions regarding Israel |
EDIT: AND is a conjunction, not a disjunction. If you've ever taken a class on logic and formal proofs, you'll know what I'm talking about. |
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| shaolin_Z |
v - disjunction (OR)
^ - conjuntion (AND)
t - true
f - false
truth table for disjunction (OR)
a b | a v b
f f | f
f t | t
t f | t
t t | t
truth table for conjunction (AND)
a b | a ^ b
f f | f
f t | f
t f | f
t t | t
so your statement is false by elementary logic |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
notice the AND
EDIT: AND is a conjunction, not a disjunction. If you've ever taken a class on logic and formal proofs, you'll know what I'm talking about. |
Micronesia votes against general assembly resolutions (as it is a member of the general assembly and not the security council) passed in disfavor to Israel almost 100% of the time.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths/mf13.html
http://www.pushhamburger.com/un-israel.htm |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | | that supports Israel and vetoes UN resolutions regarding Israel |
you really havea hard time reading don't you?
since when did Micronesia have veto power? |
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