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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 69)
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| tatgirl |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
Pretty racist, don't you think. |
No, I'm not racist. Thanks for trying to peg me as one though.
And YOU'RE telling ME I'm changing the topic???? This thread is about a suicide bombing at a club, and you throw in this whole copy-and-paste history lesson about the occupation of Israel???
Human rights are being violated by your own people, against themselves just as much. Yet somehow, it doesn't matter, until Israel is destroyed, nothing else is an issue. And yet, its EVERY other Arab country's problem too, and they are not even Palestinian.
I'd like to see you start a thread to create a peace movement, and do something contructive, rather than display your Intifada avatar there, and preach your hate. But you won't will you? We all know what militants do to other Palestinians who want peace. Please, to be equal, post those pictures too for all to see. Show everyone what is done to an 'Israeli conspirator' (without a trial too).
Believe me, I AM sensitive to your people's rights. Are you sensitive to mine? |
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| Goashem |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
I didn't justify any killings. I even said that I do not agree or condone killing civilians.
And there are also KIDS in ing REFUGEE CAMPS that are being killed all the time! Killing civilians on both sides is horrible. But in this conflict, there is an Occupier and an Occupied. This is the stem of the problem. |
yes, you do just that when you post "israel has violated the ceasefire and here are the incidents blah blah blah". theres a whole thread dedicated to the cruelty of the IDF but still you chose to post it here! it seems to me that you believe that an eye for an eye system fits the situation just fine. thats why one side remains occupied. there was progress being made, ceasefire, release of prisoners and a plan for seperation from the palestinian land, but it seems that terrorist just dont wanna see an end to this. and as for the "its a retaliation for the israels violation of ceasefire" palestinian terrorist also violated this ceasefire with mortar shells fired at israeli cities and attacks on on civilians and military. show some respect for those kids! whats their fault in the situation ?! |
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| Scorchio |
BLA BLA BLA BLA keep on ing each other's mind
I was at the party with Markus and it was awesome Markus is ok he had some worries about playing becuase of what happened but he decided to play for us and make us happy and he pleayed a great 3 hour set with great tracks, anyway we spoke to him and he says he loves Israel and will come again.
so keep on with your arguments and
we will keep partying nothing will break our spirit especially not some braindead palestinian who thinks hell screw 77 ugly arab cows in heaven once he kills a few innocent people.
This just shows that theres no one to talk to, a cease fire has been agreed between both sides, yet palestinians continue to bomb and kill, this time you cant blame Israel for this isnt a counter attack by the palestinians, they did it for no reason. |
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| Yan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scorchio
I was at the party with Markus and it was awesome Markus is ok he had some worries about playing becuase of what happened but he decided to play for us and make us happy and he pleayed a great 3 hour set with great tracks, anyway we spoke to him and he says he loves Israel and will come again.
we will keep partying nothing will break our spirit |
+1 for you. :)
You folks don't deserve to be going through this. Neither do the Palestinians.
It's great to know you had an awesome time. |
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| Scorchio |
Yes I had an awesome night and I'm happy that I did.
Israel will keep on nothing is going to stop us from celebrating and having the time of our life... |
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| Palestinian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
Where'd you get this number? |
I believe this was updated two years ago, so it's outdated.
Since September 28, 2000:
383 Palestinian children (under the age of 18) have been killed by the Israeli army and Israeli settlers, i.e. almost 19% of the total Palestinians killed (figure at 21 November 2002);
Approximately 36% of total Palestinians injured (estimated at more than 41,000) are children;
86 of these children were under the age of ten;
21 infants under the age of 12 months have been killed;
500 Palestinian children have been permanently disabled due to Israeli attacks.
www.palestinemonitor.org
Here are up to date ones:
From 29 September 2000 to 31 January 2005
Children: 743 (662 male, 81 female)
Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics
http://www.pcbs.org/default.aspx
Palestinian minors killed by Israeli security forces
632
B'tselem: The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories
www.btselem.org
The follwing is taken from an article:
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article3217.shtml
Since the Intifada began, Israel has killed over 500 children. Virtually none of these cases has been investigated, despite overwhelming evidence that the children are usually shot in the head or chest, indicating a deliberate pattern of targeting. Perhaps only because this case was reported by other soldiers is it among those rare cases being investigated. When Palestinians describe the daily atrocities they suffer, not only are their stories dismissed, but the criminals are not punished.
And this from an artcle written back in 2003
http://electronicintifada.net/cgi-b...view.cgi/7/1336
Shootings of Palestinian civilians are regularly reported as "accidental", the result of "crossfire", and Israeli spokespersons occasionally even express regret for these killings. However, experience with similarly patterned events on the ground and the frequency at which they have been occurring during the Second Intifada, force any empirical observer to conclude that killings are a typical feature of the Israeli army's operations. The current Intifada death toll -- 2,220 -- and injury statistics -- 22,308 --[1], and the circumstances of these acts of violence, as reported by medical authorities, reflect a rate of killing and injury far too high to be credibly explained as "accidental".
Now don't tell me my sources are biased because this is what Israeli supporters tend to say next. Seriously, we could spend hours accusing each other's sources of being biased. It just doesn't cut it. |
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| Scorchio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
I didn't justify any killings. I even said that I do not agree or condone killing civilians.
And there are also KIDS in ing REFUGEE CAMPS that are being killed all the time! Killing civilians on both sides is horrible. But in this conflict, there is an Occupier and an Occupied. This is the stem of the problem. |
There we go again with youre whinings about the occupation
NEWS FLASH
Isreal is about to break from Gazza strip and settlements
dont justify this with your lame occupation excuse once again, your terrorists friends just bombed a group of people who were waiting in the line to get into a club and have some fun after a hard week's work. |
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| Palestinian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Goashem
yes, you do just that when you post "israel has violated the ceasefire and here are the incidents blah blah blah". theres a whole thread dedicated to the cruelty of the IDF but still you chose to post it here! it seems to me that you believe that an eye for an eye system fits the situation just fine. thats why one side remains occupied. there was progress being made, ceasefire, release of prisoners and a plan for seperation from the palestinian land, but it seems that terrorist just dont wanna see an end to this. and as for the "its a retaliation for the israels violation of ceasefire" palestinian terrorist also violated this ceasefire with mortar shells fired at israeli cities and attacks on on civilians and military. show some respect for those kids! whats their fault in the situation ?! |
The person who started this thread wanted a debate. Don't post here if you're not expecting a debate. I don't agree with violence against civilians, but the root cause of the problem is occupation and that's what I'm here to point out. As long as there is an occupation, there will be violence. You say there was progress being made. Yes there was progress and hopefully there will be more progress, and I think whoever carried out the suicide bombing shouldn't have done it, but Israel has been violating the ceasefire even before the mortar attacks and that's part of Occupation, and as long as it continues, there will be the eye for an eye system amongst many people, whether you and I like it or not. |
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| Yan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
Yes there was progress and hopefully there will be more progress, and I think whoever carried out the suicide bombing shouldn't have done it, but Israel as well as the Palestinians have been violating the ceasefire even before the mortar attacks and that's part of Occupation, and as long as it continues, there will be the eye for an eye system amongst many people, whether you and I like it or not. |
Fixed it for you. ;) |
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| Scorchio |
So youre saying that as long as Israel has not evacuated all settlements and occupied territories the palestinians have a green light to perform terror acts, even though such a move can take several months if not a year, after all were talking about re-setteling more than 100,000 people.
Anyway I think youre the real terrorist here. |
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| Palestinian |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
No, I'm not racist. Thanks for trying to peg me as one though.
And YOU'RE telling ME I'm changing the topic???? This thread is about a suicide bombing at a club, and you throw in this whole copy-and-paste history lesson about the occupation of Israel???
Human rights are being violated by your own people, against themselves just as much. Yet somehow, it doesn't matter, until Israel is destroyed, nothing else is an issue. And yet, its EVERY other Arab country's problem too, and they are not even Palestinian.
I'd like to see you start a thread to create a peace movement, and do something contructive, rather than display your Intifada avatar there, and preach your hate. But you won't will you? We all know what militants do to other Palestinians who want peace. Please, to be equal, post those pictures too for all to see. Show everyone what is done to an 'Israeli conspirator' (without a trial too).
Believe me, I AM sensitive to your people's rights. Are you sensitive to mine? |
If you're not racist, then don't tell me to focus my "aggression" on something else as if I shouldn't give a about my own people's rights.
Yes this thread is about a suicide bombing at a club, which ties in to the occupation of Palestinian land. I noticed there was a debate going on, so I joined in. Don't post here if you're not expecting a debate.
By the way, none of the writing in my first post was copy and paste.I'm pretty well versed in the conflict, thank you very much.
The copy and paste was the second post where I clearly showed that the Israeli violations of the ceasefire came from a website.
I never said I wanted Israel destroyed. Human rights are violated everywhere, and yes in all Arab countries too and within Palestinian communities. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't focus on my own people's rights that are being violated by Israel. Again, stop making it seem that's it's wrong for me to focus on Palestinian rights that are violated by Israel. That is racist in itself. It's like me telling you to stop talking about the victims of suicide bombings because there are Israelis that kill Israelis or because there are other problems within Israeli society that better deserve your attention. Or it's like telling a South African Black during Apartheid that he or she shoudln't talk about their plight against Apartheid because they have their own problems within the black communities. Wow, imagine I told you that.
A peace movement is good but not nearly as constructive as an activist movement that educates the public about Israel's human rights violations. A peace movement makes it seem as if both sides are equal, as if this is a conflict between two equal countries. No, this is a conflict between an Occupier and an Occupied, and this is what people need to realize if there is ever going to be peace for BOTH Palestinians and Israelis. |
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| Palestinian |
you really fixed a typo there, Yan :rolleyes: All I'm trying to say is that the suicide attack was not the first breaker of the cease fire as many people are assuming.
Scorchio, I don't think anyone has a green light to kill, but we can't convince some people who are victimized by Occupation to not victimize others. It's something we have no control over, unless we end the victimization that Occupation brings with it. Yes, it would take several months or a year to end the occupation compeletely, provided that all settlements are dismantled (do you honestly believe that Israel will dismantle the major West Bank settlements where 400,000 settlers live?). But to end occupation you need to announce it first, Israel hasn't shown the willingness to do that, not even in Oslo. In fact, it has done the opposite by expanding settlements and building the wall inside the west bank. yes, gaza's settlements are leaving but the west bank ones are growing. Israel will also continue to control Gaza's borders, airspace and water. It's a prison, clearly.
Anyway, you've really contributed intelligently to the discussion by
calling me the real terrorist here :rolleyes: |
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