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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 149)
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| shaolin_Z |
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Israel bans use of human shields
Israel's supreme court has banned the use of Palestinian human shields in arrest raids, saying the practice violates international law.
The court issued a temporary injunction against the practice in 2002 after a teenager was killed when troops made him negotiate with a wanted militant.
Human rights groups who brought the case say the Israeli army has repeatedly violated the temporary ban.
The army cannot use civilians for its purposes, Israel's chief justice said.
"You cannot exploit the civilian population for the army's military needs, and you cannot force them to collaborate with the army," Aharon Barak said.
Early warning
The court ruled out both the placing of civilians in front of soldiers on operations and as well as an "early warning" procedure employed by the army.
In this practice the army forces local Palestinians to flush out wanted militants by making them approach their homes first and asking them to surrender.
The state argued that its rules were necessary to arrest wanted militants and did not endanger Palestinian civilians who - it argued - gave their consent to take part in the operations.
But that was disputed by the Association for Civil Rights in Israel and the Israeli Arab human rights organisation Adallah, who brought the case.
Adallah submitted an affidavit by one Israeli reservist who said: "No civilian would refuse a 'request' presented to him at 0300 by a group of soldiers aiming their cocked rifles at him."
"It's an important decision, but we need to see if the military will abide by it," said Adallah lawyer Marwan Dallal.
'Pity for the cruel'
The judges decided that under the circumstances it was impossible to properly get the consent of Palestinians.
"In light of the inequality which exists between the apprehending force and the local resident, the civilian cannot be expected to resist the request to pass on an alert," Mr Barak wrote.
A hard-line member of the Israeli Knesset or parliament has criticised the ruling, saying it will hamper the military's anti-terrorism capabilities.
"Supreme court judges demonstrated today that their pity for the cruel will prove cruel to the merciful and will expose [Israeli] soldiers to more danger," said Effie Eitam of the National Religious Party. |
Source: BBC |
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| Yoepus |
A failure of law and a defeat for freedom. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
A failure of law |
If you're referring to international law, yeah, Israel has a track record of constantly violating it.
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
and a defeat for freedom. |
Something else Israel is pretty good at; ensuring the indigenous population of the region don't have it. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
If you're referring to international law, yeah, Israel has a track record of constantly violating it.
Something else Israel is pretty good at; ensuring the indigenous population of the region don't have it. |
Ha ha, you are real funny:rolleyes:
No what I meant is clear:
The courts have no understanding of the origins or nature of the laws of war, and so they made their ruling in disagrement to them.
The real result will be more people will die from this supposed "humanistic" ruling:( |
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| shaolin_Z |
Is this the point you were trying to make earlier Yoepus? I bolded it for you. I disagree. Using innocent civilians as human sheild is not justified.
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Israel army to fight human shield ban
By Khalid Amayreh in the West Bank
The Israeli army has signalled its intention to keep using Palestinian civilians as human shields in operations aimed at assassinating, arresting or kidnapping Palestinian political and resistance activists.
The Israeli High Court issued a ruling earlier this week barring the army from using Palestinian civilians as human shields, a practice used heavily in the West Bank, particularly since the outbreak of the Palestinian intifada or uprising in 2000.
On Tuesday, Israeli military sources said the army would press the High Court to reconsider the ruling on the ground that it would complicate "army activities" in the West Bank.
The army has sought to downplay the gravity of the "human shield practice", describing it as a "generally innocuous early warning procedure".
The Israeli press has quoted Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz as saying that he will personally seek to convince the justices of the High Court of the correctness of the army's view in this regard.
Ugly practice
The occupation army has further argued that the practice actually saves (Jewish) lives and that banning it entirely would inflict more casualties on the Palestinians themselves as the army would be forced to bombard and destroy entire buildings where "wanted persons" are barricaded.
Palestinian and foreign human-rights groups operating in the West Bank have dismissed the army's contention as "a desperate attempt to put a good face on an ugly practice".
"They want to kill us and tell the world that they are dong it for our own interests," said a spokesperson of the Palestinian Centre of Human Rights in Ram Allah.
The spokesman said scores of innocent Palestinians were killed as they were being used as human shields during Israeli army operations in the West Bank.
UN criticism
Meanwhile, a top UN human rights official has charged Israel with deliberately impeding the work of human-rights activities in the occupied Palestinian territories.
The official, Hina Jilani, who has ended a visit to Palestine and Israel, said Israel was making the work of human-rights activists in the West Bank and Gaza Strip as hard as possible.
"In stark contrast to the relative openness that the government allows for NGOs based in Israel, the human-rights defenders in the occupied Palestinian territories operate under conditions that are absolutely incompatible with the international norms and standards of human rights."
Jilani described Israeli actions as "responsible for creating an environment that is totally non-conducive for human rights defenders to conduct their work with facility and safety".
Severely threatened
Jilani said that while she was aware of Israeli security concerns, she was also fully conscious of the vulnerability of the Palestinian population which is more severely threatened and eroded by the practices of the Israeli occupation.
Israel rejected Jilani's report, which will be submitted to UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan later this month.
Mark Regev, a spokesman for the Israeli Foreign Ministry, said Israel was doing everything to facilitate the work of human-rights activists in Israel proper as well as the occupied territories.
"We pride ourselves on the fact that Israel's human-rights safeguard are of the highest international standards," he said.
Human rights groups, including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Israel's own B'tselem have issued damning reports indicting Israel for killing and maiming hundreds of innocent Palestinians and destroying thousands of innocent people's homes over the past five years. |
Source: Al-Jazeera |
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| shaolin_Z |
| WTF, dictionary.com doesn't have a definition for "Mizrachim." I know what it means but I don't know how to pronounce it. Yoepus, could you help me out here? |
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| Gmoney part II |
What both of you need is some kind of serious ass-kicking by a US-European alliance. Or better yet we should send the Russian Mafia over there. That will end all of this nonsense. Seriously, you guys can kill each other for the next 500 years, no one gives a . Just don't involve the rest of the world.
Jews hate Muslims, Muslims hate Jews. 9/11 happened because the US supported Israel. Then some coward blew up the world trade center. So a bunch of innocent Americans (most of them non-Jewish) died. What neither of you realize is this: If both of you start involving the rest of the world in this nonsense , people of other religions and races are going to get pissed off at you. In about 30 years, someone is going to steamroll over both of you and this will end. And then you will start blaming us instead of each other. Oh well... |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Gmoney part II
What both of you need is some kind of serious ass-kicking by a US-European alliance. Or better yet we should send the Russian Mafia over there. That will end all of this nonsense. Seriously, you guys can kill each other for the next 500 years, no one gives a . Just don't involve the rest of the world.
Jews hate Muslims, Muslims hate Jews. 9/11 happened because the US supported Israel. Then some coward blew up the world trade center. So a bunch of innocent Americans (most of them non-Jewish) died. What neither of you realize is this: If both of you start involving the rest of the world in this nonsense , people of other religions and races are going to get pissed off at you. In about 30 years, someone is going to steamroll over both of you and will end. And then you will start blaming us instead of each other. Oh well... |
It's all George Bush's fault, you know. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Gmoney part II
What both of you need is some kind of serious ass-kicking by a US-European alliance. Or better yet we should send the Russian Mafia over there. That will end all of this nonsense. Seriously, you guys can kill each other for the next 500 years, no one gives a . Just don't involve the rest of the world.
Jews hate Muslims, Muslims hate Jews. 9/11 happened because the US supported Israel. Then some coward blew up the world trade center. So a bunch of innocent Americans (most of them non-Jewish) died. What neither of you realize is this: If both of you start involving the rest of the world in this nonsense , people of other religions and races are going to get pissed off at you. In about 30 years, someone is going to steamroll over both of you and this will end. And then you will start blaming us instead of each other. Oh well... |
Send bird flu to the Holy Lands!!
(might as well cos we need it to break out somewhere in the human form so us in the west can develop our vaccine! it'd be killing two bords with one stone! scrap that, loads of birds will die!) |
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| Marc Summers |
| The US should stop supporting israel! |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marc Summers
The US should stop supporting israel! |
come on we both know that will never happen. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Is this the point you were trying to make earlier Yoepus? |
Yes.
Perhaps try and look at an argument now from a newsource that brings the other perspective on the issue.
But put simply this tactic reduce mortality. Furthermore this tactic would not be necessary if the Palestinains had at least some respect for the laws of war instead of complete disregard. |
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