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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 67)
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| Yan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Michael19
how excactly? :conf: |
I'm sure DISGUISING yourself, while deceiving the public, as a normal everyday person and then blowing yourself up is really great in your book, then. |
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| Michael19 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
I'm sure DISGUISING yourself, while deceiving the public, as a normal everyday person and then blowing yourself up is really great in your book, then. |
but lanching rockets into a building, where one suspected terrorist is living is a great idea?
shooting kids is antoher great idea aswell i take it then?
god bless those israeli's with there humane and ethical approach to it all! :rolleyes: |
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| JM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
BUILDINGS GO BOOM.
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u mean straw huts?
:D
>JM< |
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| Yoepus |
:whip:
bah I don't like this, I don't like this one bit.
What are we here in PDD?? The receptacle bin for all of COR's half assed attempt at threads?!
I say let the COR trash stay in COR. We're not a political landfill!
Ok well we are, but we're full.
:toothless ;) |
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The land Palestinians want for a state has been Militarily Occupied by Israel for 38 years now, since 1967. The 3.5 million Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories (which includes Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem) suffer under Israeli military rule. Imagine a foreign army general having control over your life.
Occupation means:
Everyday you must pass a military checkpoint where you are checked by soldiers and must show an occupation ID card in order to pass through and reach school, university, work, or a hospital. There are hundreds of checkpoints in the territories and the lineups are long. Many cases involve women having to give birth at checkpoints because the military won't let them get to an ambulance. There are cases as well of people being beaten up because they dared to argue with a soldier, women ordered to lift their skirts, men to act like dogs, and men to strip naked if they wanted to pass through. The economy and freedom of movement is devastated as well because of this.
Settlements. Israel has built large colonies, or settlements, in the Occupied Territories. These settlements are composed of hundreds of first class homes for Jews only. Imagine one day the army knocks on your door and says your house has now been confiscated by the military and will be demolished in order to make way for a new settlement and you can go yourself. Jewish families then move into the settlements from Israel. Most of the settlers are religious Jews who believe your land belongs to them because God said so in the Old Testament of the Bible. The settlements also take up 80% of the water resources. They have sprinklers and swimming pools while your family has to pay exorbitant prices for a bit of water. Settlements are built in order to obtain a hold over the land so that when Palestinians negotiate for a state, Israel can say: well, every piece of land that has a settlement on it will be annexed to Israel. The aim is to create facts on the ground that Palestinians can't change. There are 400,000 settlers now in the West Bank. Who's going to provide their security? The military of course, so Israel's military surrounds the settlements and that's why there are checkpoints and road closures. The settlements are also linked to Israel by Jewish-only roads where Palestinians can't drive. These roads and highways cut the West Bank into different pieces where you have to go through the military to get to another piece of the West Bank. To sum this up, Israel has colonized Palestinian land and made reaching a peace agreement extremely difficult.
Now when Palestinians revolt against military rule, which is called the Intifada: sudden revolt to shake off an oppressor, the policies of occupation become much harsher. The first Intifada in 1987 did not include suicide bombers. It was largely made up of peaceful demonstrations, civil disobedience, and people picking up stones to throw at the military (because Palestinians had no weapons of their own). Palestinians were shot, roads were closed off, curfews were imposed (I was there at the time and in Gaza City there was a curfew every night starting at 9pm, if you went outside, you would be shot and killed), and more checkpoints are installed (my friend takes 4 hours every day to get to school because of checkpoints in Ramallah. I don't even know why he still goes! I swear I wouldn't even go if it took me four hours every in morning). Many Palestinians were also deported because they were affiliated with political factions or involved in civil disobedience (this largely included politically aware university students). Raising a Palestinian flag during the first Intifada was punishable as well. Settlers themselves come out of their settlements and harrass or shoot Palestinians on the street in some cases. Suicide bombing didn't start until after the first Intifada, and has accelerated during the second Intifada which started in 2000. Although I do not agree or condone suicide bombings against Israeli civilians, I can understand that this comes from the frustration with the Occupation. The Islamic movements that emerged are a result of this frustration as well. A Palestinian once said that "we have no one but God to stand with us. We would be nothing without God." This is totally understandable in their miserable situation. Obviously religious extremism would grow and thrive in such conditions. The majority of Palestinians though, are secular and would rather live under a secular state and not having to resort to religious extremism. Palestinians are also not all Muslim, but Christian too. Many Christian figures are in the resistance, including the Orthodox Christian Church of Jerusalem. So to say that Islam is the problem is pretty ignorant, and many Israelis do say this.
The borders of the territories are closed as well. Israel controls the borders, airspace, and seaports. People cannot travel from Gaza to the West Bank. Relatives cannot see each other because of this. I haven't been able to go back to Gaza to see my grandparents and relatives for four years now.
I think I've written too much for now. Here are a few excellent websites that I recommend:
www.palestineremembered.com
www.palestinemonitor.org
www.palestinechronicle.com
www.electronicintifada.net
www.gush-shalom.org
www.btselem.org |
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| Palestinian |
Israel has violated the ceasefire before today's Palestinian suicide attack on a nightclub. But the mainstream media barely reports on the violations.
Israel Severely Violates Ceasefire
www.palestinemonitor.org
February 17, 2005
Since the ceasefire was declared on 8 February 2005 between Palestinians and Israelis, Israeli forces have violated the ceasefire several times.
The following is a sample list of Israeli violations of the ceasefire, the Road Map, and international humanitarian law since 8 February 2005:
· The assassination of two members of the al-Aqsa Brigades, a branch of President Abbas’ Fatah party, on 15 February. Issam Mansour and Mahyoub Alqani were shot and killed at close range with several live bullets to the head and chest in a Palestinian house in the village of Kufar Qalil. Witnesses say the attack was unprovoked.
· The killing of 15-year-old Ala Hani Khalil near Beituniya on 15 February by Israeli personnel guarding the illegal Annexation Wall in that area. The shooting was said to be in retaliation for stones that he and other children had thrown at Israeli military vehicles to protest the illegal Wall. Another boy of 14 was seriously wounded by the barrage of live fire.
· The shooting to death of 16-year-old Sabri al-Rjoub in Hebron on 14 February. Soldiers claimed he was carrying a knife, but Palestinian eyewitnesses say the boy was unarmed.
· The killing of a 20-year-old resident of Rafah on 9 February, the day after the ceasefire was declared. He was a civilian walking near his home in Rafah when he was fatally wounded by Israeli Forces’ gunfire from the Atzmona settlement.
The above five killings demonstrate Israel’s unwillingness to carry out confidence-building measure with the Palestinian side. Deliberate attacks against children and members of al-Aqsa Brigades, part of President Abbas’ Fatah party, are intolerable acts of provocation and incitement.
Prime Minister Sharon has also postponed the promised release of 500 Palestinian detainees, and Israeli authorities have broken their word by suspending their withdrawal from the West Bank city of Jericho and flouted good faith by refusing to transfer the nearby town of al-Awja (Uja) to Palestinian control along with Jericho.
Other Israeli actions in violation of the Road Map and international law which threaten to destroy the viability of a future Palestinian state:
· The planned construction of a new settlement called Gvaot near Bethlehem which will likely house settlers being evacuated from Gaza this summer.
· The construction of a new settlement on Jayyous village land in the Qalqiliya region. The new settlement is being built on part of the 75% of Jayyous’ land that was isolated from its owners by the Annexation Wall.
· The planned expansion of the Alfei Menashe settlement, which will expropriate more land from the villages of Habla and Ras Atiah in Qalqiliya region to connect it to Nirit village in Israel. This move is strongly opposed by the Israeli village of Nirit itself.
· The massive expansion of the Betar Illit settlement in Bethlehem district, which is currently stealing and destroying Nahhalin village land.
· The expansion of the Har Homa settlement, also near Bethlehem, which will squeeze up against Palestinian towns and make natural growth impossible.
· The continuing failure if the Israeli Army to obey standing orders to evacuate and dismantle several unauthorized Israeli settler outposts in the West Bank, which were deemed illegal by the Israeli High Court.
· The continuing failure of Israel to abide by the International Court of Justice ruling and stop construction on the Annexation Wall, dismantle it, and compensate the victims whose property was expropriated or destroyed. Israel is accelerating construction in many areas, including a highly controversial section of the illegal Wall 20 kilometers deep inside West Bank territory – which is only 50 kilometers wide. The Wall as planned will steal vast tracts of the West Bank’s most prized farmland and water resources and cut the northern West Bank practically in two, severely undermining its contiguity and viability. The Wall as planned will also sever Bethlehem's ancient cultural, spiritual, and commercial ties with Jerusalem.
· The construction of new Israeli settler bypass roads, which Palestinians are not allowed to use, as well as special tunnels for Palestinian use only which can be easily blocked off at any time by Israeli military or police forces. The new constructions are designed to entrench a system of Apartheid, annexation, and collective imprisonment.
· On Tuesday, 15 February, a Palestinian woman was denied passage through the Qalandia checkpoint and was forced to give birth in a car at the checkpoint.
· The planned demolition of five Jayyous farms and ranches located on the Jayyous side of the Annexation Wall, claiming that they were built without an Israeli permit - even though they were built before Israel occupied the land in 1967.
· The planned demolition of at least 85 Jerusalem-area Palestinian homes to make room for a gratuitously large ‘security buffer’ around the Annexation Wall.
· The planned demolition of up to 3,000 Rafah homes for a dubious Israeli "security moat".
· The recently announced decision to force East Jerusalem residents to acquire an Israeli permit in order to visit the West Bank, which will be enforced after the Jerusalem section of the illegal Annexation Wall is completed this summer. This will force thousands of East Jerusalemites either to break ties with their friends, family, culture, and career in the West Bank, or to abandon their homes in Jerusalem. |
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| Palestinian |
Israel has violated the ceasefire before today's Palestinian suicide attack on a nightclub. But the mainstream media barely reports on the violations.
Israel Severely Violates Ceasefire
www.palestinemonitor.org
February 17, 2005
Since the ceasefire was declared on 8 February 2005 between Palestinians and Israelis, Israeli forces have violated the ceasefire several times.
The following is a sample list of Israeli violations of the ceasefire, the Road Map, and international humanitarian law since 8 February 2005:
· The assassination of two members of the al-Aqsa Brigades, a branch of President Abbas’ Fatah party, on 15 February. Issam Mansour and Mahyoub Alqani were shot and killed at close range with several live bullets to the head and chest in a Palestinian house in the village of Kufar Qalil. Witnesses say the attack was unprovoked.
· The killing of 15-year-old Ala Hani Khalil near Beituniya on 15 February by Israeli personnel guarding the illegal Annexation Wall in that area. The shooting was said to be in retaliation for stones that he and other children had thrown at Israeli military vehicles to protest the illegal Wall. Another boy of 14 was seriously wounded by the barrage of live fire.
· The shooting to death of 16-year-old Sabri al-Rjoub in Hebron on 14 February. Soldiers claimed he was carrying a knife, but Palestinian eyewitnesses say the boy was unarmed.
· The killing of a 20-year-old resident of Rafah on 9 February, the day after the ceasefire was declared. He was a civilian walking near his home in Rafah when he was fatally wounded by Israeli Forces’ gunfire from the Atzmona settlement.
The above five killings demonstrate Israel’s unwillingness to carry out confidence-building measure with the Palestinian side. Deliberate attacks against children and members of al-Aqsa Brigades, part of President Abbas’ Fatah party, are intolerable acts of provocation and incitement.
Prime Minister Sharon has also postponed the promised release of 500 Palestinian detainees, and Israeli authorities have broken their word by suspending their withdrawal from the West Bank city of Jericho and flouted good faith by refusing to transfer the nearby town of al-Awja (Uja) to Palestinian control along with Jericho.
Other Israeli actions in violation of the Road Map and international law which threaten to destroy the viability of a future Palestinian state:
· The planned construction of a new settlement called Gvaot near Bethlehem which will likely house settlers being evacuated from Gaza this summer.
· The construction of a new settlement on Jayyous village land in the Qalqiliya region. The new settlement is being built on part of the 75% of Jayyous’ land that was isolated from its owners by the Annexation Wall.
· The planned expansion of the Alfei Menashe settlement, which will expropriate more land from the villages of Habla and Ras Atiah in Qalqiliya region to connect it to Nirit village in Israel. This move is strongly opposed by the Israeli village of Nirit itself.
· The massive expansion of the Betar Illit settlement in Bethlehem district, which is currently stealing and destroying Nahhalin village land.
· The expansion of the Har Homa settlement, also near Bethlehem, which will squeeze up against Palestinian towns and make natural growth impossible.
· The continuing failure if the Israeli Army to obey standing orders to evacuate and dismantle several unauthorized Israeli settler outposts in the West Bank, which were deemed illegal by the Israeli High Court.
· The continuing failure of Israel to abide by the International Court of Justice ruling and stop construction on the Annexation Wall, dismantle it, and compensate the victims whose property was expropriated or destroyed. Israel is accelerating construction in many areas, including a highly controversial section of the illegal Wall 20 kilometers deep inside West Bank territory – which is only 50 kilometers wide. The Wall as planned will steal vast tracts of the West Bank’s most prized farmland and water resources and cut the northern West Bank practically in two, severely undermining its contiguity and viability. The Wall as planned will also sever Bethlehem's ancient cultural, spiritual, and commercial ties with Jerusalem.
· The construction of new Israeli settler bypass roads, which Palestinians are not allowed to use, as well as special tunnels for Palestinian use only which can be easily blocked off at any time by Israeli military or police forces. The new constructions are designed to entrench a system of Apartheid, annexation, and collective imprisonment.
· On Tuesday, 15 February, a Palestinian woman was denied passage through the Qalandia checkpoint and was forced to give birth in a car at the checkpoint.
· The planned demolition of five Jayyous farms and ranches located on the Jayyous side of the Annexation Wall, claiming that they were built without an Israeli permit - even though they were built before Israel occupied the land in 1967.
· The planned demolition of at least 85 Jerusalem-area Palestinian homes to make room for a gratuitously large ‘security buffer’ around the Annexation Wall.
· The planned demolition of up to 3,000 Rafah homes for a dubious Israeli "security moat".
· The recently announced decision to force East Jerusalem residents to acquire an Israeli permit in order to visit the West Bank, which will be enforced after the Jerusalem section of the illegal Annexation Wall is completed this summer. This will force thousands of East Jerusalemites either to break ties with their friends, family, culture, and career in the West Bank, or to abandon their homes in Jerusalem. |
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| tatgirl |
Hey-
why don't u go focus your aggression on the lack of women's rights, gay rights & human rights in all your other Arab countries, instead of pointing the finger at Israel. |
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| Yan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Michael19
but lanching rockets into a building, where one suspected terrorist is living is a great idea?
shooting kids is antoher great idea aswell i take it then?
god bless those israeli's with there humane and ethical approach to it all! :rolleyes: |
Are you even listening to yourself?
You're not making sense. The Israeli people have REASONING behind everything they do. SOMETIMES there are accidents, as well, in the case of the child shooting. You think Israelis pick off kids for fun?
Get off your high horse because you have nothing to argue with.
NOTE: Don't pay attention to any of Palestinian's posts. Preaching about one side while ignoring the other is basically what he's doing. |
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| jonSun |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
Hey-
why don't u go focus your aggression on the lack of women's rights, gay rights & human rights in all your other Arab countries, instead of pointing the finger at Israel. |
W3rd.
BTW, including religious rights. |
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