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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 32)
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| Michael19 |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
I think the jews can complain about the holocaust for eternity as it was one of the most despicable acts ever commited on this planet in history. The russians were killed during battles and during self conflicts, the jews were intentionally massacred to destroy an entire religious race from this planet, that is why it is worse.
Well during the british rule the Jews were put there so i guess the land belongs to them then eh? |
i dont see travellers or gays getting the speical treatment the Jews get.
As bad as the holocaust was they shouldnt be exempt from their actions because of it. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by x-filer
but the palastine was there first because they were there for a majority of the time during british rule and the jews were also put there because of the US and the French, and some other european countries. None of which were muslim. |
If you are using this argument to justify the Palestinian claim than you should do so more research. The historical diplomatic/legal case is undisputably in favor of the Jews/Israel by the British position. The dispute on the historical event is not that the British supported a Jewish homeland, but did the British have the right to do so... but you're not making that argument...
Anyway, research the Balfour decleration if you want to know more... |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Michael19
i dont see travellers or gays getting the speical treatment the Jews get. |
What special treatment are the Jews 'getting' exactly? :conf:
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As bad as the holocaust was they shouldnt be exempt from their actions because of it. |
They aren't. But as bad as gay people and 'travellers' are treated, they're treatment shouldn't be compared with the holocaust.:rolleyes: |
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| Sevas Stra |
What did one camel jockie say to the other camel jockie?
who cares?! THEY'RE CAMEL JOCKIES :D
I'm yet to hear a nice argument on the Palestinian part. For example why do the British times count instead of the ancient times? America took the land away from Spain, Englan and France how come they aren't cowardly attacking us fro the land back? Exectly how is the IDF mistreating anyone they're preventing future terrorists =\. |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
If you are using this argument to justify the Palestinian claim than you should do so more research. The historical diplomatic/legal case is undisputably in favor of the Jews/Israel by the British position. The dispute on the historical event is not that the British supported a Jewish homeland, but did the British have the right to do so... but you're not making that argument...
Anyway, research the Balfour decleration if you want to know more... |
For x-filer as well:
(emphasis added):
| quote: | Originally posted by Balfour Declaration 1917 online at yale dot edu
November 2nd, 1917
Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours sincerely,
Arthur James Balfour |
This is a very interesting read:
It is undeniable that Herzl's ideas, while contributing immensely to the survival of the Jewish people, created problems for the Jewish religion. For Herzl and for political Zionism as a movement, the Jews were a nation like other nations, and this raised questions about the nature of Judaism.
The majority of the Rabbis in Herzl's day, whether Orthodox or Reform, were opposed to his views on precisely these grounds. The Reformers believed that the new emphasis on nationhood frustrated the universalistic thrust of Judaism as a world religion independent of nationality. The Orthodox, at the opposite end of the spectrum, believed that the particularistic elements in Judaism were contained in the Torah and the practice of its laws, not in any form of secular nationalism; though the Mizrachi movement sought to combine the ideas of nationalism and religion for Jews in a modern State. Once the State of Israel had been established, the whole debate became purely academic, which is not to deny that many of the problems still await their solution.
Theodor Herzl's Political Zionism MyJewishLearning.com |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sevas Stra
What did one camel jockie say to the other camel jockie?
who cares?! THEY'RE CAMEL JOCKIES :D
I'm yet to hear a nice argument on the Palestinian part. For example why do the British times count instead of the ancient times? America took the land away from Spain, Englan and France how come they aren't cowardly attacking us fro the land back? Exectly how is the IDF mistreating anyone they're preventing future terrorists =\. |
god.. more annoying american noobs joining the site. |
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| Reverend_Trance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
god.. more annoying american noobs joining the site. |
Cyrus, we finally agree on something! Is that scary or what? :nervous: |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
god.. more annoying american noobs joining the site. |
I resent that american remark.
He's annoying yes. American yes. N00b yes. But don't bunch him up in there with the rest of us americans.
I already asked him to watch himself in another thread for:
| quote: | Originally posted by Sevas Stra
The war in no way could be for OIL because first you have to understand why the OIL prices have gone up and no it's not because of Iraq or Osama, buddy. Second of all, the Iraqis got their freedom except certain fundamantalists still trying to rebel from the "Western Rule" so we should've let Sadam stay there and kill his own sand nigg&rs and sit back and enjoy the show with Sarin and other gasses like he did the Kurds. |
But he choses to act the fool. |
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| Reverend_Trance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sevas Stra
i agree. |
I agree too that a bunch of us bitch for 30-odd pages is crap. Can we really do something about this? Will we change opinions that are embedded in people's minds? This thread will keep on going until we are blue in the face and buried in the ground.
What the Isrealis and Palestinians need to to is just to have an all-out war and finish it once and for all. I am tired of this thread and this conflict. Our collective bitching will do us nothing, unless you get on a boat and go there.
IT!!!!! |
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| Sevas Stra |
| I've been saying that for God knows how long. Next Forum: WHO WOULD WIN THE ISRAELI'S OR THE ARABS? :P |
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| Dunya |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sevas Stra
I've been saying that for God knows how long. Next Forum: WHO WOULD WIN THE ISRAELI'S OR THE ARABS? :P |
You are so pathetic:rolleyes: |
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