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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 104)
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | | I don't think my arguments are baised, I just happen to be a right wing conservative... |
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And just incase anyone missed that here it is again...(this one's definately goin on the wall!)
| quote: | | I don't think my arguments are baised, I just happen to be a right wing conservative... |
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| Escobar |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Your confusing "war" with "complete stupidity"!! Why on earth would Palestinian militants identify themselves as such ready for the IDF to pick every one of em off!? If your gonna come up with a plan for a war your not gonna pick one that leads to certain defeat are you? Now you can just accept that and stop with your silly ideas (in which you are merely calling them cowards, yet you totally disregard intelligence) |
So what is your point here??
Lets shoot at the IDF soldiers and then run into some inocent guys house so that they wont come get me??
that is cracked out!
| quote: | | Originally posted by George Smiley Nice try. Palestinian civilians have been targeted deliberately by the IDF (see Jenin etc and no bull about Jenin if 9 people killed at the Olympics can be described as a massacre then 50 in a refugee camp can if it was only 50) Also, the homes of Palestinians are routinely demolished either as collective punishment or to make way for roads/military/etc - and that is terrorism |
This is a complete lie....Never has the IDF TAGETED inocent civilians..you are just talking now.
In terms of the homes being demolished, its is a deterrent...a necessary one. I think that if a Palestinan loses his home results in less casualities so be it. I would say the same if the situation was reversed.
| quote: | | Originally posted by George Smiley Israel is not defending its citizens! How the can you say that?! If it were defending its citizens why are most of the army out protecting the settlements that should not even be there in the first place?! Why are they still building settlements? Why are they still occupying the Arab's land? If Israel is "defending it's citizens" dont you think they should start by improving the security situation? IE Not doing everything they can to piss the Palestinians off? Why aren't you calling for an end to the occupation if you care so much about the Israelis? Why are you not calling for not only an end to settlement building but a complete evacuation of every single Jewish settlement in Arab territory? |
NO, Israel does Protect its citizens....without those settlements, thre would be no buffer zone with the Palestinians...there would be far more terrorist attacks.
Those Settlers, like it or not are Israeli Citizens, so there is also an obligation to protect them.
I don't think there is any occupation....that is why I dont defend it...there never was a country or a people called Palestinians...it is a fabrication.
| quote: | | Originally posted by George Smiley Has Israel ever intentionally killed innocent civilians? (And if you think you can squirm out of that one I suggest you do a google before answering cos if you dont think there are 1000s of examples where this has happened then you are in complete denial) |
This has never happened, all exampkles you find are from baised sources...it is just the bottom line.
| quote: | | Originally posted by George Smiley This is the best one yet!! I think I might frame this quote and hang it on my wall its so funny!! Are you that blind you failed to read that those rockets WERE the retaliation?!?!! Those rockets were fired because ISRAEL KILLED THREE UNARMED PALESTINIANS!!! So no need for retaliation eh? Cos it was Israel's fault in the first place!! (Next your gonna tell me they were smugglers so I ask you - so what? Do you think unarmed people who may have committed a crime should be shot without trial? So much for democracy!) |
WTF???????/ Unarmed????hahahahahahah
you are so naive...that is the real problem....those 3 men killed were trying to smuggle weapons from egypt....they were terrorists who got what they deserved.
| quote: | | Originally posted by George Smiley By the way, what do you think bout that group who have formed the Sanhedrin? Do you support them like you support Kahane? |
What is there to support??? I am not Jewish....that issue is a Jewish one....to me, it does not make a difference, they can do whatever they like. Who are we to dictate what they do?
As far as I know the Sanhedrin is a good thing...Let the Jews do what they like with their own religion. |
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| Escobar |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
In that case I want those quotes of mine or an appology... |
here is one:
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley Israel, ing bar stewards, they not only do not deserve to exist they deserve to burn in hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Well I thought I'd take this oppertunity to get in there first... |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Escobar
here is one: |
Yea...right...anyway...
Your not the brightest are you? Either that or you are beggining to realise that you were out of order saying I support killing civilians? |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Escobar
So what is your point here??
Lets shoot at the IDF soldiers and then run into some inocent guys house so that they wont come get me??
that is cracked out!
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You dont understand do you? Its called tactics. You develope tactics to meet your capabilities...are you really that incapable of working that out?!
| quote: | This is a complete lie....Never has the IDF TAGETED inocent civilians..you are just talking now.
In terms of the homes being demolished, its is a deterrent...a necessary one. I think that if a Palestinan loses his home results in less casualities so be it. I would say the same if the situation was reversed. |
Ok well I shall write a book about when the IDF has but in the mean time onto house demolitions...is it a deterent? Has it worked? has it e! It makes them more determined. Look at when Germany bombed the UK in the war, it was meant to demoralise the British but it made their resolve stronger
| quote: | NO, Israel does Protect its citizens....without those settlements, thre would be no buffer zone with the Palestinians...there would be far more terrorist attacks.
Those Settlers, like it or not are Israeli Citizens, so there is also an obligation to protect them. |
Oh dear, oh deary deary me! You think those settlements are there to provide a buffer zone? What are you on man! Can I have some?! The settlements are there cos the fundamentalists believe it is their religious right! Buffer zone?! Your havin a laugh!
| quote: | | I don't think there is any occupation....that is why I dont defend it...there never was a country or a people called Palestinians...it is a fabrication. |
You dont think there's an occupation? That one sentence sums you up. I need say no more on the matter you've shown yourself right up there
| quote: | | This has never happened, all exampkles you find are from baised sources...it is just the bottom line. |
Basically anything that criticises Israel is not to be counted? Again, you keep digging and your not coming out of this very well
| quote: | WTF???????/ Unarmed????hahahahahahah
you are so naive...that is the real problem....those 3 men killed were trying to smuggle weapons from egypt....they were terrorists who got what they deserved. |
The official line is they were smugglers, according to the Palestinians they were playing football. Who do you believe? Automatically you have to believe Israel right? And you call me naive?! I dont know what they were there for but I haven't seen anything saying they were armed. Apperently they fired warning shots and they still continued so they shot them...does that make sense to you? That despite warning shots they still continued? No, its bollox thats what it is
| quote: | What is there to support??? I am not Jewish....that issue is a Jewish one....to me, it does not make a difference, they can do whatever they like. Who are we to dictate what they do?
As far as I know the Sanhedrin is a good thing...Let the Jews do what they like with their own religion. |
They are a good thing are they? Do you support the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Israel then? And pardon me for asking, but if you are not Jewish why do you support Israel even more than most Israelis? |
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| Escobar |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
You dont understand do you? Its called tactics. You develope tactics to meet your capabilities...are you really that incapable of working that out?! |
I understand that it is tactics...it is a terrorist tactic. then, Israel advances to capture them...in the middle of the CROSS fire (not one-sided) a civilian gets hit...and then gues what???
headlines: "Israel Murdered innocent civilian while they were happily playing the flute with his musuc teacher, siging song of peace"
OFF!!! their tactics are causing their own people to die.
If I was wnted by the popo and they were comming to get me, I would never start a gun battle in my house with my wife and kids inside just so as to use them as a shield...
| quote: | | Ok well I shall write a book about when the IDF has but in the mean time onto house demolitions...is it a deterent? Has it worked? has it e! It makes them more determined. Look at when Germany bombed the UK in the war, it was meant to demoralise the British but it made their resolve stronger |
Actually it has worked because there has been numeroues cases where neighbours and family members tipped the army off for fear of losing their homes.
| quote: | | Oh dear, oh deary deary me! You think those settlements are there to provide a buffer zone? What are you on man! Can I have some?! The settlements are there cos the fundamentalists believe it is their religious right! Buffer zone?! Your havin a laugh! |
There you go again, anybody who believes they have a right to live there are fundamentalists.....you are so typically self righteous!
Yes it is a buffer zone and yes they have the right to live there.
| quote: | | You dont think there's an occupation? That one sentence sums you up. I need say no more on the matter you've shown yourself right up there |
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Do I have to agree with you???
You ing left wing tree huggers are going to be the cause terror spreads so rapidaly....you keep find ing ways to defend it!
| quote: | | The official line is they were smugglers, according to the Palestinians they were playing football. Who do you believe? Automatically you have to believe Israel right? And you call me naive?! I dont know what they were there for but I haven't seen anything saying they were armed. Apperently they fired warning shots and they still continued so they shot them...does that make sense to you? That despite warning shots they still continued? No, its bollox thats what it is |
It is funny how you s actually believe that Israel just loves to shoot inocent people....the Palestinians are the ones with the deep hate , not the Israelis...wake up mate, your in a dream world...lala land..
| quote: | | They are a good thing are they? Do you support the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Israel then? And pardon me for asking, but if you are not Jewish why do you support Israel even more than most Israelis? |
You are pathetic for paying so much attention to that mate....
And in case you did not know, the sanhedrin is not a ruling authority...they are simply a court system...to enforce laws...granted they are the ones who choose who is the king...but c'mon....hahahahahahyou are so on crack to think they will overthrow the gov or even have any plans to...
I support Israel because I believe in thier right to exist a nation in thie ancestral homeland.
I hate ing terrorists and anyone who fights them is my friend. |
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
The official line is they were smugglers, according to the Palestinians they were playing football. Who do you believe? Automatically you have to believe Israel right? And you call me naive?! I dont know what they were there for but I haven't seen anything saying they were armed. Apperently they fired warning shots and they still continued so they shot them...does that make sense to you? That despite warning shots they still continued? No, its bollox thats what it is
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are you sarcastic? also according to the palestinians they were smugglers. 2 other guys that managed to run back were caught by the palestinians & admited it...
and about the second part... are you sarcastic again?... when you do something illigal and hear gunfire near you, many will keep on running because of panic, confusion, or just for saving yourself |
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| Escobar |
The term "Palestine" came from the name that the conquering Roman Empire gave the encient Land of Israel in an attempt to obliterate and de-legitimize the Jewish presence in the Holy Land.
The name "Palestine" was invented in the year 135 C.E. Before it was known as Judea, which was the southern kingdom of ancient Israel. The Roman Procurator in charge of the Judean-Israel territories was so angry at the Jews for revolting that he called for his historians and asked them who were the worst enemies of the Jews in their past history. The scribes said, "the Philistines." Thus, the Procurator declared that Land of Israel would from then forward be called "Philistia" [further bastardized into "Palaistina"] to dishonor the Jews and obliterate their history. Hence the name "Palestine."
Very often one hears the revisionists and propagandists finding ancient historical links between the "Philistines" ("Invaders" in Hebrew) and the Arab "Palestinians." There is no truth to this claim!
The Philistines were one of a number of Sea Peoples who reached the eastern Mediterranean region approximately 1250-1100 B.C.E. They were actually an amalgamation of various ethnic groups, primarily of Aegean and south-east European origin [Greece, Crete and Western Turkey] and they died out over 2500 years ago!
Those Philistines were not Arab... and neither was Goliath! The Arabs of "Palestine" are just that... Arabs! And these Arabs of "Palestine" have about as much historical roots to the ancient Philistines as Yasser Arafat has to the Eskimos!
The ancient, indigenous inhabitants of Palestine are long perished from the earth. Canaanites, Phoencians, and then Philistines, all were dominated by the Israelites before 1060 B.C.E. Most of these cultural identities dissolved completely by the neo-Babylonian age, or, the 6th century B.C.E.
Arabs weren’t even in Palestine until the mid-7th century C.E., over a thousand years later, after Palestine’s 1,300-year Jewish history. Arabs later living in Palestine never developed themselves or the land, but remained nomadic and quasi-primitive
Even the word "Palestine" has no meaning in Arabic - every word in Arabic has some meaning deriving from the Koran, but the word "Palestine" does not. If anything, the name "Palestine" was associated with Jews.
In the years leading up to the rebirth of Israel in 1948, those who spoke of "Palestinians" were nearly always referring to the region's Jewish residents. For example, the "Palestine Post" [forerunner of today's Jerusalem Post] newspaper and the Palestine Symphony Orchestra were all-Jewish. The "Palestine Brigade Regiment" was composed exclusively of Jewish volunteers in the British World War II Army. In fact, Arab leaders rejected the notion of a unique "Palestinian Arab" identity, insisting that Palestine was merely a part of "Greater Syria."
www.israelforum.co.il |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Escobar
The term "Palestine" came from the name that the conquering Roman Empire gave the encient Land of Israel in an attempt to obliterate and de-legitimize the Jewish presence in the Holy Land.
The name "Palestine" was invented in the year 135 C.E. Before it was known as Judea, which was the southern kingdom of ancient Israel. The Roman Procurator in charge of the Judean-Israel territories was so angry at the Jews for revolting that he called for his historians and asked them who were the worst enemies of the Jews in their past history. The scribes said, "the Philistines." Thus, the Procurator declared that Land of Israel would from then forward be called "Philistia" [further bastardized into "Palaistina"] to dishonor the Jews and obliterate their history. Hence the name "Palestine."
Very often one hears the revisionists and propagandists finding ancient historical links between the "Philistines" ("Invaders" in Hebrew) and the Arab "Palestinians." There is no truth to this claim!
The Philistines were one of a number of Sea Peoples who reached the eastern Mediterranean region approximately 1250-1100 B.C.E. They were actually an amalgamation of various ethnic groups, primarily of Aegean and south-east European origin [Greece, Crete and Western Turkey] and they died out over 2500 years ago!
Those Philistines were not Arab... and neither was Goliath! The Arabs of "Palestine" are just that... Arabs! And these Arabs of "Palestine" have about as much historical roots to the ancient Philistines as Yasser Arafat has to the Eskimos!
The ancient, indigenous inhabitants of Palestine are long perished from the earth. Canaanites, Phoencians, and then Philistines, all were dominated by the Israelites before 1060 B.C.E. Most of these cultural identities dissolved completely by the neo-Babylonian age, or, the 6th century B.C.E.
Arabs weren’t even in Palestine until the mid-7th century C.E., over a thousand years later, after Palestine’s 1,300-year Jewish history. Arabs later living in Palestine never developed themselves or the land, but remained nomadic and quasi-primitive
Even the word "Palestine" has no meaning in Arabic - every word in Arabic has some meaning deriving from the Koran, but the word "Palestine" does not. If anything, the name "Palestine" was associated with Jews.
In the years leading up to the rebirth of Israel in 1948, those who spoke of "Palestinians" were nearly always referring to the region's Jewish residents. For example, the "Palestine Post" [forerunner of today's Jerusalem Post] newspaper and the Palestine Symphony Orchestra were all-Jewish. The "Palestine Brigade Regiment" was composed exclusively of Jewish volunteers in the British World War II Army. In fact, Arab leaders rejected the notion of a unique "Palestinian Arab" identity, insisting that Palestine was merely a part of "Greater Syria."
www.israelforum.co.il |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flotser
are you sarcastic? also according to the palestinians they were smugglers. 2 other guys that managed to run back were caught by the palestinians & admited it...
and about the second part... are you sarcastic again?... when you do something illigal and hear gunfire near you, many will keep on running because of panic, confusion, or just for saving yourself |
If someone shot warning shots at my feet the last thing I would be doing is running in any direction as would you! |
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| Escobar |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
If someone shot warning shots at my feet the last thing I would be doing is running in any direction as would you! |
What are you trying to say?? that there were no warning shots, that the soldiers were just saw 3 innocent dudes playing soccer and said "huumm, I think I will kill the one"????
Get real man.....they always fire warning shots...its is one of the rules in Israel....Shoot in the air, first ALWAYS!
They ran because they knew they were doing something wrong and didnt want to get caught |
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| Escobar |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Point? |
Just a fun fact from your friendly neighbourhood spider man...:D |
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