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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 38)
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Izzy
when israelis kill innocent palestinians it is UNINTENTIONAL |
that's where you're wrong my friend. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sevas Stra
Because palestinians are barbarians so dealing with them being barbaric would be a sort of paradox =O |
you're a barbarian. (and a racist) |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Izzy
The reason that i believe some palestinians exhibit barbaric is because although innocents die on both sides, the INTENTION of palestian groups is to kill innocent israelis whereas when israelis kill innocent palestinians it is UNINTENTIONAL |
the INTENTION of the Palestinians is liberation from Israeli opression. Using terrorism as a means is obviously wrong. But THE ISRAELI GOVERMENT AND THE IDF USE TERRORISM ALL THE TIME too. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
you're a barbarian. (and a racist) |
+1 |
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
the INTENTION of the Palestinians is liberation from Israeli opression. Using terrorism as a means is obviously wrong. But THE ISRAELI GOVERMENT AND THE IDF USE TERRORISM ALL THE TIME too. |
That isn't totally true, Hamas and Islamic Jihad have often stated their goals are not liberation but the destruction of Israel. Only then will their goals be met. How can you have peace with that? If the Israelis make peace and Hamas the Islamic Jihad continue to kill Israelis then what is the point if it is a one sided peace? |
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| shaolin_Z |
| Again, you're talking about terrorist groups that DO NOT IN ABSOLUTE TERMS represent the will of the palestinian ppl. It only represents a MINORITY. So stop generalizing that to the entire population (or even most of them). Most palestinians want peace and freedom. But, at the same time, they're not going to put up with the injustices and humiliation they suffer at the hacds of the Israeli's. |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
the INTENTION of the Palestinians is liberation from Israeli opression. |
when was the last time you read the hamas charter?
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"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it"
(second paragraph)
"There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad." (article 13)
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/hamas.htm
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when was the last time you read the Israeli declaration of independce?
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WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.
WE EXTEND our hand to all neighbouring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighbourliness, and appeal to them to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help with the sovereign Jewish people settled in its own land. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace%20P...e%20of%20Israel
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Izzy
when was the last time you read the Israeli declaration of independce? |
when was the last time you read the news? |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
when was the last time you read the news? |
what's that supposed to mean? :conf: |
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| shaolin_Z |
your last post was implying that Israel wishes to live in peace with the palestinians and their neighbors. well, they're current (and past) actions dont reflect this at all.
and your last post was also implying that Hamas (and EVERYTHING they way) represents the will of Palestinians. Thats is simply not true. |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
your last post was implying that Israel wishes to live in peace with the palestinians and their neighbors. well, they're current (and past) actions dont reflect this at all.
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i dont agree.
Peace has been reached with Jordan, Egypt and there has even been talks with lebanon and syria. Israeli's free palestinians from prison, loosen check points, dismantle (a few) illegal settlements whenever there is a pro-longed period without suicide bombers.
Israel wants and encourages peace with those who can show the same peace back, but no tolernence for barbaric acts on humanity
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and your last post was also implying that Hamas (and EVERYTHING they way) represents the will of Palestinians. Thats is simply not true. |
No, but you and i both know how popular the hamas is within palestine. both as a social group and organization that appeals to the mass lower and middle class |
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| shaolin_Z |
| the only reason and extreme group like hamas has any appeal is becuase no one else is really fighting back for them, not because they want Israel destroyed as you were impying. |
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