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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 27)
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| jethro |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
Yes, but its ok for AlphaJew and his jew freinds to poke fun of Christ??? |
seeing as how you didnt provide the backing for this ive quoted all of alphastars comments in this thread
| quote: | posts by alphastar
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Look it's Dave 's account #7
if it's not then my apologies, Anti-Semite.
congratulations...now go blow yourself up in your living room while having dinner with your family and relatives, you useless twat
afterwards, you can burn nailed to a cross upside down in hell for all eternity.
Dave , you a tool. i've no intent on being upset at you inasmuch as you mean the dregs to me...you are less than nothing to me. for all i care, you can burn with all the other anti-Semites likewise. and apparently you haven't espied the thread where i posted i'm buying TTs this week with numerous vinyls BECAUSE OF THE ILLEGAL MP3S I HAVE AND LIKE SO MUCH i decided to buy them in wax. now leave me alone and go kill yourself or something.
all you do is talk without backing it up. why don't you come down to Brooklyn, New York and say something like that to me in person you dastardly
no Pizza, you are the odious cancer on this forum that virtually everyone cares not for or simply loathes. but ostensibly you're too dim-witted to fathom that you silly n00b.
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I see nothing about christ in there anywhere, to be quite honest even if he HAD said something about christ, the he started it argument is a tad childish my friend.
This is obviously a personal argument you have with him stemming from something else in history, and it deeply offends me that you make anti semetic remarks, or any othe racial/religous slurs for ANY reason.
Further more, if you truely are a devoit lover of jesus and his teaching and practices youd practice the ideal of loving thy neighbor, not making comments any 10 year old could realize might offend a mass of people jewish or not. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by jethro
seeing as how you didnt provide the backing for this ive quoted all of alphastars comments in this thread
I see nothing about christ in there anywhere, to be quite honest even if he HAD said something about christ, the he started it argument is a tad childish my friend.
This is obviously a personal argument you have with him stemming from something else in history, and it deeply offends me that you make anti semetic remarks, or any othe racial/religous slurs for ANY reason.
Further more, if you truely are a devoit lover of jesus and his teaching and practices youd practice the ideal of loving thy neighbor, not making comments any 10 year old could realize might offend a mass of people jewish or not. |
ty m8 ;)
it's clear i've not made a single poke at the Christian religion, nor have i anything against it. But mr. surely is blind enough so he resorts to Anti-Semitic remarks, the loser that he is.
I am nobody mr. Pizza? you will destroy me? :stongue:
i've been here on TA since you were still in diapers. now go to hell you worthless piece of space. |
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| Cyrus King |
Excellent article reinforcing the hideous nature of the beasts that control the West Bank and Gaza
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Israel debates price of victory
Moral questions dominate in wake of army scandals
Violin incident comes on heels of schoolgirl's killing
MITCH POTTER
MIDDLE EAST BUREAU CHIEF
JERUSALEM—It would seem a likely moment for Israelis to thank their army for a job well done, given how safe their lives have become during this past year of intifada.
Statistically, Palestinian suicide bombs were reduced during 2004 to levels not seen since before the uprising began more than four years ago.
The army's almost total dominance over the West Bank and Gaza Strip means Israeli civilians are today five times more likely to die in traffic accidents than in encounters with armed Palestinians.
If one were to measure Israel's war by effectiveness against the tactic of terror, it could be argued that the war is over.
Yet rather than thank-yous, Israelis are enmeshed in a national debate over the ethical price of victory, asking whether, in its march to vanquish Palestinian violence, the army lost its morality.
It is an old debate, in fact, one that has roiled at the leftmost fringes of Israeli society for decades. But this time, the angst is coming from all quarters, extending even to the staunchest hard-line editorialists of the Jerusalem Post.
Feeding the latest round of angst are three almost concurrent scandals involving Israel Defence Forces soldiers.
The ugliest by far was the Oct. 5 killing of a 13-year-old Palestinian schoolgirl, Iman Hams, near the Girit outpost in the deadliest stretch of southern Gaza.
An internal IDF inquiry initially concluded that the Israeli officer who shot Hams had acted in self-defence. But two weeks ago, an Israeli television station broadcast a military radio recording of the incident.
After identifying the girl, soldiers fired warning shots. The detachment spotter said: "She's scared to death. The hits were right next to her."
More shots were fired and the company commander, identified only as Capt. R., moved in with his radioman toward the fallen girl. He fired twice, turned back toward the outpost and then turned again, returning to the body to empty his clip.
Some soldiers describe the practice as "verifying the kill."
"This is the commander," Capt. R. is heard telling his soldiers on the radio tape. "Anyone who moves in this zone — even if it's a 3-year-old child — must be killed. Over."
The commander has since been charged with unlawful use of a weapon. He denies the charge, maintaining he fired into the ground next to the body after hearing gunfire from a nearby refugee camp.
The Rafah scandal was followed closely by a second, when the Hebrew mass circulation daily Yedioth Aronoth went public with stories of the desecration of the bodies of Palestinian militants by Israeli soldiers, one of whom reportedly took photos after placing a cigarette in the mouth of a disembodied head.
But neither of those scandals, however shocking, compare with the emotional impact of the third — a comparatively benign event in which a Palestinian musician was photographed playing his violin for Israeli soldiers last month at an army checkpoint outside the West Bank city of Nablus.
When the violin photo made its way onto the front page of Haaretz, its impact was immediate. Across the country, Israelis began murmuring fretfully about Holocaust-era memories of Jewish prisoners forced to perform for Nazi soldiers.
Last week, the IDF released its version of the violin incident, concluding that it never happened. Or rather, that the violinist in question wasn't told to play but took it upon himself to do so voluntarily, until soldiers told him to stop.
Wissam Tayyam, 28, claimed otherwise Wednesday when he learned of the IDF explanation.
"I did not offer to play," he told Haaretz. "They asked me to open the case and show them the instrument, which was fine by me. But then they asked me to play.
"I felt humiliated," said the music student, who attends Al-Najath University in the northern West Bank.
"I always identified with the Jews who suffered in Europe, and after that, they come and do the same thing to us."
The cumulative weight of the scandals left IDF officials scrambling for damage control.
Saying that "no one is treating this lightly," army spokesman Capt. Jacob Dallal described the events as an unfortunate series of exceptions to the norm. "This is not an average week in the IDF," he said.
`An entire generation was sent on a mission and this is its moral price'
Lt. Ziv Maavar, Breaking The Silence
Israeli military analysts say the scandals speak to the continuing dilemma of how to operate in the context of the West Bank and Gaza, where militants and civilians are difficult to distinguish at the best of times.
"Of all these issues, the violin story is the biggest deal, because it speaks to the famous pictures of those who played as they went to the death chambers," says Martin Van Creveld, a military historian at Hebrew University.
"It evokes incredibly black memories in every Israeli heart.
"On one hand, you can understand it. In this kind of war, anything can be a bomb, so why not a violin? But on another level, it shows how guilty we feel.
"This is a dirty war, it always has been, and it comes with a peculiar mix of sadism and self-pity. Soldiers have developed an attitude where: `We hate the Palestinians because they are forcing us to kill them.'
"But all these stories underscore the fact that, in this battle, you cannot be both strong and moral. Either you are one or the other. Choose."
Lt.-Gen. Moshe Yaalon, who approved the initial investigation clearing Capt. R., fought back against such talk.
Calling the violin story "libel," Yaalon said that, while the photo does reflect "the difficult reality that exists at the roadblocks, comparisons to the Holocaust are completely groundless.
"This is another incident among the many that never took place."
But Yaalon was surprisingly candid when asked whether ethical problems are of growing concern to the IDF.
"There has been an erosion of values in the army, and in my talks with commanders, I ask them to fight this erosion in order to maintain the ethical norms of the IDF," he said.
"It is true, bad incidents from the IDF perspective have occurred, and everyone who deserves to be is punished."
On the Palestinian side, it must be said, there is no commensurate debate over the morality of suicide bombs.
While a growing chorus of Palestinian leaders, most notably interim leader Mahmoud Abbas, has loudly criticized the practice, their conclusions are founded in logic, not ethics.
In a post-9/11 world, they argue, attacks on Israeli civilians can only impede the Palestinian cause.
But the morality of the attacks remains a question Palestinian society has not begun to ask.
In Israel, by contrast, the genie of military ethics shows no signs of climbing back into the bottle.
Even as the IDF worked to diminish the damage, Israeli media began delving into a disturbing trove of revelations from a new movement of former soldiers called Breaking The Silence.
Launched last June, the group has grown to number several hundred war veterans motivated to "confess" to bad deeds in the territories.
The Hebrew daily Ma'ariv led coverage of their stories last week, detailing first-person accounts of prisoner abuse, vandalism and looting of Palestinian property.
"I turned into a monster. In the four and a half years of military service as a combat officer, you feel as if you're using up everything you were raised on," 24-year-old Lt. Ziv Maavar, a Breaking The Silence organizer, told Ma'ariv.
"We are here to say: `Look what happened to us.' You've ruined an entire generation of fighters, the best of Israeli society, the most ideological, those who were to be the spearhead of society. We all underwent moral corruption.
"We are not saying the army is bad. We are talking about a situation. We were bad. An entire generation was sent on a mission and this is its moral price.
"Let all Hebrew mothers know, you're sending your boy to do three years and you have no idea what is happening to him.
"He tells you, `Everything's fine,' but he is no longer the same person." |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by jethro
seeing as how you didnt provide the backing for this ive quoted all of alphastars comments in this thread
I see nothing about christ in there anywhere, to be quite honest even if he HAD said something about christ, the he started it argument is a tad childish my friend.
This is obviously a personal argument you have with him stemming from something else in history, and it deeply offends me that you make anti semetic remarks, or any othe racial/religous slurs for ANY reason.
Further more, if you truely are a devoit lover of jesus and his teaching and practices youd practice the ideal of loving thy neighbor, not making comments any 10 year old could realize might offend a mass of people jewish or not. |
I took great offense to his comment about a buring upsidedown cross . That is beyond my silly jokes of Jews and money.
If someone keeps using vulgar language towards you it's only natural you will defend yourself. I was called into this thread because AlphaJew has a fixation with me.
How about I keep refering to you as or tell you to go blow yourself. How would you respond or feel.
I am not claiming to be Mr. Religious but its only fair to defend yourself and your religion. |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
i've been here on TA since you were still in diapers. now go to hell you worthless piece of space. |
You've made it a really 'cool' place. With all your illegal MP3's + non-existant posts.
For someone who has been on this forum for such a 'long time' I would think you would know better than not to use illegal MP3's, provide useful content to threads, and not enguage in childish behavior.
You started this but it won't end until I win. I always win. |
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| AlphaStarred |
i still don't see evidence of where i disparaged your religion :conf:
as for vulgar language, you are the one who is utterly uncouth and ineloquent. like i've advised you before, go read a book or something and learn to speak proper English. |
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| jethro |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
I took great offense to his comment about a buring upsidedown cross . That is beyond my silly jokes of Jews and money.
If someone keeps using vulgar language towards you it's only natural you will defend yourself. I was called into this thread because AlphaJew has a fixation with me.
How about I keep refering to you as or tell you to go blow yourself. How would you respond or feel.
I am not claiming to be Mr. Religious but its only fair to defend yourself and your religion. |
aparently my comment about he started it didnt hit home.
and stating "Now do us all a favor and go play in a warm oven or something." while calling him alphajew in a thread about jewish people is extemly distastefull and not just a silly joke.
im done. aparently you cant gather any meaning from other peoples posts anyhow |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by jethro
aparently my comment about he started it didnt hit home.
and stating "Now do us all a favor and go play in a warm oven or something." while calling him alphajew in a thread about jewish people is extemly distastefull and not just a silly joke.
im done. aparently you cant gather any meaning from other peoples posts anyhow |
When is calling someone a Jew distasteful. Obviously he is proud of his heritage so I called him a Alpha Jew. Just as if you were to call me Alpha Italian. Its not like I called him a Rat or another racial distasteful name.
My joke to him about jews and money was in the same context as he has made jokes about Italians and pizza. Its only fair game my friend.
My slander was towards him and him only. I never , repeat never, made a comment about the Jewish religion. I never said something that would be blasphemous to the religion. AlphaStarr did when he made the comment about the upsidedown cross. If you don’t see anything wrong in that I suggest you go read the bible.
I do not respect the Jews actions in the middle east but I would never disrespect their religious biblical figures like AlphaStarred has done towards the Christian faith in his comment.
In order to be a neutral figure in this argument Jethro you need to understand both sides of the story. It seems that you are not looking at whole picture and are fixated at my Jewish jokes towards Alphastarred.
Please read what Alphastarred said to bring me into this thread. He was using vulgar language to provoke me.
Than he started to slant my religion and others with his distasteful remarks.
I understand what you saying Jethro but don't blame me entirely for the in these last few pages, which it seems you are tryong to do.
If you can't understand my point of view than don't try to be a neutral figure in a argument. |
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| jethro |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
When is calling someone a Jew distasteful. Obviously he is proud of his heritage so I called him a Alpha Jew. Just as if you were to call me Alpha Italian. Its not like I called him a Rat or another racial distasteful name.
My joke to him about jews and money was in the same context as he has made jokes about Italians and pizza. Its only fair game my friend.
My slander was towards him and him only. I never , repeat never, made a comment about the Jewish religion. I never said something that would be blasphemous to the religion. AlphaStarr did when he made the comment about the upsidedown cross. If you don’t see anything wrong in that I suggest you go read the bible.
I do not respect the Jews actions in the middle east but I would never disrespect their religious biblical figures like AlphaStarred has done towards the Christian faith in his comment.
In order to be a neutral figure in this argument Jethro you need to understand both sides of the story. It seems that you are not looking at whole picture and are fixated at my Jewish jokes towards Alphastarred.
Please read what Alphastarred said to bring me into this thread. He was using vulgar language to provoke me.
Than he started to slant my religion and others with his distasteful remarks.
I understand what you saying Jethro but don't blame me entirely for the in these last few pages, which it seems you are tryong to do.
If you can't understand my point of view than don't try to be a neutral figure in a argument. |
again respond to the post made. your like king of the tangents.
I specifically called out your comment of "Now do us all a favor and go play in a warm oven or something" and you cited reason/response for everything else under the sun but that.
Im not trying to blame you for anything, this thread jack, personal argument is anyones fault who is involved, and now my fault too for even opening my mouth to it.
This is the type of reason I dont bother with this forum to often, guess I should go back to being a lurker.
And for the 3rd time I think now, the he started it line is pretty weak.
you BOTH need to take these personal issues elsewhere for good and stop wasting space on other threads with real meaning. Or just STFU all together, I think all of us couldnt give a less what you think of each other personally. |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by jethro
again respond to the post made. your like king of the tangents.
I specifically called out your comment of "Now do us all a favor and go play in a warm oven or something" and you cited reason/response for everything else under the sun but that.
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Alphastarred has told me many times to ‘go kill yourself’ or ‘ cut your wrists’ ; I thought it would be fitting to return the ‘go kill yourself’ to AlphaStarred in a different way. I thought ‘go play in an warm oven’ would be a funny comeback to the bull he’s been saying to me
Why don’t you question him when he told me ‘ cut my wrists’ or why don’t you try to be devils advocate when he provoked me to come into this thread when he called me ‘’. Or do you not see the blasphemy he spoke when he said I hope you burn in hell with an upside down cross?
I know it popular to try to be political correct or take the side of the minority. But in this cause, like the Jewish Faith proclaims, I only did An Eye for Eye.
I think you took the comment out of context because you don’t know both sides of the story. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Piazza
Why don’t you question him when he told me ‘ cut my wrists’ |
please quote me a single time i said this :stongue: :haha: :wtf: :gsmile: :toocool: :eyespop: :disbelief
and if i did, which i'm pretty certain i didn't, that statement has no racial innuendo whatever :thepirate :stongue: :eyes: :cool: :p
i rest my case... |
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| Yoepus |
this thread needs to be closed.
People need to get banned.
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