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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 31)
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| Reverend_Trance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Oh yes... you are strolling on indian land with your machine guns shooting any natives that come near your neighborhood . You have a personal military guard ready to kill anyone that comes near your settlement. The Natives areound you are skipping meals, are subjected to inhumane checkpoints, under occupation, unemployed, surrounded by a wall, repeatedly bombed by your jets and their homes are bulldozed. |
It it truly that bad? Why do they still live like this? Is it the fact that other Arab nations will not accept them? People from all over the world came to Isreal of different nationalities and languages and were intigrated into society. While the Arab nations hate Isreal, their own hate for each other stops them even more.
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
You cannot compare the situation that occured 400 years ago to the CURRRENT situation in the middle east that is effecting people DIRECTLY in the time frame we are discussing. You see.. the people that are being royally fuked actually are alive!! The indians that were fuked 400 years ago are dead. |
People have been screwed over since the dawn of time. When this whole thing started after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, those people got screwed and they are now dead. Life is not fair. We now do what we think is best to help situations such as this. The problem here is that you have two inflexible sides. The Isrealis have offered numerous agreements divding the land and living in peace. The Oslo Agreements are just good for butt-wipe now. Arafat and the PLO refused such deals, so in reaction you get a people sick of this process. They elect a hard-line Likuid government led by Sharon.
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Those settlers are THIEVES... they are asking for death. I have no sympathy for these wastes of cum |
OK. They are theieves then, but they are still humans. |
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Oh yes... you are strolling on indian land with your machine guns shooting any natives that come near your neighborhood .
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I'd shoot them too if they were trying to rape and kill my family.
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You have a personal military guard ready to kill anyone that comes near your settlement.
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needed or else families will be raped and murdered.
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The Natives around you are skipping meals, are subjected to inhumane checkpoints, under occupation, unemployed, surrounded by a wall, repeatedly bombed by your jets and their homes are bulldozed.
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The result of their own doing. Remember before the infitada many worked inside Israel, in fact most of them did. When they started the uprising out of fear of killing israelis the logical thing was done, stop them from entering israel. The same is the reason for checkpoints and the wall. Bulldozing is done to militants families (who send the people into israel to kill it's citizens, and to those who provide haven to weapons rockets and tunnels.
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You cannot compare the situation that occured 400 years ago to the CURRRENT situation in the middle east that is effecting people DIRECTLY in the time frame we are discussing. You see.. the people that are being royally fuked actually are alive!! The indians that were fuked 400 years ago are dead.
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Those settlers are THIEVES... they are asking for death. I have no sympathy for these wastes of cum |
You've said it yourself before, what right does someone have just living on a land, when you said it in reference to the israelis living there many years ago. The palestinians never had a country, the arabs never gave them land or aid, and they blindly follow groups that continue to keep the peace process at bay all while claiming they are freedom fighters. |
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| Dunya |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
I'd shoot them too if they were trying to rape and kill my family.
needed or else families will be raped and murdered.
Ask yourself how many palestinian and zionist families are murderd?
This prove my point that you don't have any right to say this.
The result of their own doing. Remember before the infitada many worked inside Israel, in fact most of them did. When they started the uprising out of fear of killing israelis the logical thing was done, stop them from entering israel. The same is the reason for checkpoints and the wall. Bulldozing is done to militants families (who send the people into israel to kill it's citizens, and to those who provide haven to weapons rockets and tunnels.
Thetime when some worked, the zionists were still abusing ppl. So there was violence against the palestinians. oh I forgot something only zionists are humans
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You've said it yourself before, what right does someone have just living on a land, when you said it in reference to the israelis living there many years ago. The palestinians never had a country, the arabs never gave them land or aid, and they blindly follow groups that continue to keep the peace process at bay all while claiming they are freedom fighters. |
They had their country you just stole that from them.:o
Palestine will be free from the river to the sea:p |
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| Reverend_Trance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dunya
They had their country you just stole that from them.:o
Palestine will be free from the river to the sea:p |
Then what?
Forces of control in Palestine over time:
Nomadic peoples
Caananites
Abraham and the 12 tribes
The United Monarchy of Isreal
Isreal and Judah
The Assyrians
Persians
Babylonians
Alexander the Great
The Selucids
Romans
Byzantines
Umayyads
Abbasids
The Crusades - The Latin Kingdom of Jersulem
Salidin retakes the Holy Land for good
The Mamelikes
Ottomans
British Palestine
UN administration
1947 Partition - 2 nations
Aftermath of the 1949 Armistice - Gaza to Egypt, West Bank to Jordan, Isreal the rest
1967 - Isreal takes the West Bank and Gaza
Oslo Agreements begin carving up a new nation.
From my research, Palestine was first created as an adminstrative district by the Ottomans. |
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| Palestinian |
| yes, it was actually considered a province of the Ottoman Empire and people did call themselves palestinians. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Reverend_Trance
It it truly that bad? Why do they still live like this? Is it the fact that other Arab nations will not accept them? People from all over the world came to Isreal of different nationalities and languages and were intigrated into society. While the Arab nations hate Isreal, their own hate for each other stops them even more. |
Other arab nations wont accept them??? THEY ARE PALESTINIAN....PALESTINE IS WHERE THEY ARE FROM. Why dont the israeli's go back to eastern europe morroco and somalia???? This nation was born on displacing the PALESTINIANS from their homes that thier ancestors DIRECTLY in thier traced bloodline resided.
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People have been screwed over since the dawn of time. When this whole thing started after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, those people got screwed and they are now dead. Life is not fair. We now do what we think is best to help situations such as this. The problem here is that you have two inflexible sides. The Isrealis have offered numerous agreements divding the land and living in peace. The Oslo Agreements are just good for butt-wipe now. Arafat and the PLO refused such deals, so in reaction you get a people sick of this process. They elect a hard-line Likuid government led by Sharon. |
The israeli's have "offered" agreements???? HAHAHAHH. more like offering the palestinians to surrender thier independence.
people are being screwed over today as well.. and this - like i mentioned- is a CURRENT issue. The Isreali's will sufffer the consequences of thier stupid actions.
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OK. They are theieves then, but they are still humans. |
they are inhumane. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
I'd shoot them too if they were trying to rape and kill my family. |
WHY WOULD YOU BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE????????????
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needed or else families will be raped and murdered. |
Do these families NEED to live on palestinian land confiscated by the IDF???? Why this NEED? they have all of Israel!
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The result of their own doing. Remember before the infitada many worked inside Israel, in fact most of them did. When they started the uprising out of fear of killing israelis the logical thing was done, stop them from entering israel. The same is the reason for checkpoints and the wall. Bulldozing is done to militants families (who send the people into israel to kill it's citizens, and to those who provide haven to weapons rockets and tunnels. |
They should not resist then? They should not revolt against thier oppressors?? It is their fault but its not wrong what they are doing.
All of these strategies are to CONTROL the palestinians, encase them and make them suffer becuase their numbers are the biggeest threat to israel's existance. The arabs will ouitnumber the jews there soon.. and thats when israel will slowly die out as an only jewish state.
its inevitable
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You've said it yourself before, what right does someone have just living on a land, when you said it in reference to the israelis living there many years ago. The palestinians never had a country, the arabs never gave them land or aid, and they blindly follow groups that continue to keep the peace process at bay all while claiming they are freedom fighters. |
Theres always this notion that just becuase the british disnt draw a line and make a coutnry for the indeginous palestinian populace that its somehow justified that Israel deserved more than half of what was ORIGINALLY palestinian.
"well.. they never had their country to begin with... so israel DOES have a to take half of that province... fill it with foreigners and then take more land from these peasants and create their little coutnry out of the blue."
I guess tibet should be wiped off of our memories since its officially not a country... lets just give it all to china... hey tibetans are a "creation".. theyve actually never existed.
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
WHY WOULD YOU BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE????????????
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I was responding to the "if indians came and tried to get their land back by suicide bombing us etc etc"
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Do these families NEED to live on palestinian land confiscated by the IDF???? Why this NEED? they have all of Israel!
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No one on this planet NEEDS to live anywhere. I choose to live in the USA and u choose to live in canada and the israeli settlers lived on land that they felt was theirs. Now that the land is being given to the palestinians again, give them a break.
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They should not resist then? They should not revolt against thier oppressors?? It is their fault but its not wrong what they are doing.
All of these strategies are to CONTROL the palestinians, encase them and make them suffer becuase their numbers are the biggeest threat to israel's existance. The arabs will ouitnumber the jews there soon.. and thats when israel will slowly die out as an only jewish state.
its inevitable
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Well it happens all over the world. In 100 years the United States may be mostly hispanic and black people with white people as an exact equal or even a minority. It doesn't destroy our country. Europe is finding that its largest growing population is muslims, hopefully they won't destroy europe and so far haven't been a HUGE problem.
However the palestinian populace isn't about living freely in coexistance with israel, they want the land, they want israel destroyed so it makes no sense to let the palestinian populace who outnumber the israelis by large numbers to just move anywhere they want in israel. That is the whole point of giving them their own state. It's like "you stay on this side of the wall and we will stay on ours". You can't have a bunch of people in your country who oppose the idea of your country existing, it just doesn't work that way.
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Theres always this notion that just becuase the british disnt draw a line and make a coutnry for the indeginous palestinian populace that its somehow justified that Israel deserved more than half of what was ORIGINALLY palestinian.
"well.. they never had their country to begin with... so israel DOES have a to take half of that province... fill it with foreigners and then take more land from these peasants and create their little coutnry out of the blue."
I guess tibet should be wiped off of our memories since its officially not a country... lets just give it all to china... hey tibetans are a "creation".. theyve actually never existed.
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Since such a large population of jews lived in the area by the early 20th century then don't they have the same right to claim a state as the palestinians? After all you said before it makes no difference who was there first. |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| the jews were there before any other modern-day peoples. it is what god promised them coming out of egypt from slavery. |
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| x-filer |
Van Dyke God doesn't exist..why do the jews always say that god gave the land to them also they still cry about the holocaust and when have you heard a russian cry about WW1, Russian civil war, stalin, ww2?
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Land belongs to whoever was there during the Bristish rule which would be the Palastine. |
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by x-filer
Van Dyke God doesn't exist..why do the jews always say that god gave the land to them also they still cry about the holocaust and when have you heard a russian cry about WW1, Russian civil war, stalin, ww2?
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Land belongs to whoever was there during the Bristish rule which would be the Palastine. |
I think the jews can complain about the holocaust for eternity as it was one of the most despicable acts ever commited on this planet in history. The russians were killed during battles and during self conflicts, the jews were intentionally massacred to destroy an entire religious race from this planet, that is why it is worse.
Well during the british rule the Jews were put there so i guess the land belongs to them then eh? |
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| x-filer |
| but the palastine was there first because they were there for a majority of the time during british rule and the jews were also put there because of the US and the French, and some other european countries. None of which were muslim. |
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