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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 61)
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chris T. Dot
Instead of blasting each other, why not try to work together on a solution? |
We've tried. IMO, there is no trust between the parties anymore.
I'm glad that leaders seem to have more faith in themselves then the people do.
There's not much one can do except have a 'cool-off' period in hopes of rekindling some form of trust. Only then can you expect to think of peace again. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
What can you do, not everbody is born God's chosen people ;)
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Speak for ya self! :D |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
The best is to look at too opposing historical overviews, think logically and with scrutiny, and see what makes the most sense to you. |
I know an excellent peice of academic work that may help him understand the conflict! :D ;) |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chris T. Dot
I see you just took the opportunity to make yourself sound like a moron first. I guess not everyone can fully develop mentally by your age. |
Well yes, but you have created a monster in this thread!! We need warning signs for Israel-Palestine threads so we know to steer clear!
No but seriously, and I dont mean this patronisingly or anything, if you are interested in the topic I wouldn't say this is the best place to learn about it!
Here's a few websites that I have found useful in the past...
www.bitterlemons.org (has both Palestine and Israeli views on all the main topics)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/index.html (a predictably pro-Israeli source, but good still)
http://www.mideastweb.org/ (probably my favourite one, altho there is a pro-Palestinian bias, still packed full of info like the Jewish Library)
www.ict.org.il (excellent source on Palestinian terrorism, altho very pro-Israel) |
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| Escobar |
All those of you who are self proclaimed anti-Zionists must understand that Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people - an expression of their legitimate aspiration to self-determination and national independence. The Zionist movement was founded to provide an ancient people with a sovereign state of its own in its ancestral homeland. Israel is the modern political embodiment of this age-old dream.
The goal of anti-Zionism is to undermine the legitimacy of Israel, thereby denying the Jewish people their place in the community of nations. Denigration of Zionism is therefore an attack on Israel's basic right to exist as a nation equal to all other nations, in violation of one of the fundamental principles of international law.
Just as antisemitism denies Jews their rights as individuals in society, anti-Zionism attacks the Jewish people as a nation, on the international level. Similar to the use of "the Jew" as a scapegoat for many a society's problems, Israel has been singled out for special condemnation in the international arena.
Moreover, it is no coincidence that the recent censure of Israel in international forums and the media has been accompanied by a sharp increase in antisemitic incidents in many parts of the world.
Anti-Zionism is often manifested as attacks on Israel in the United Nations and other international forums, and even online forums (such as this one). Over the years, almost every meeting and every event of the international community has been exploited as an opportunity to condemn Israel - no matter what the subject matter, no matter how tenuous the tie to the conflict in the Middle East.
As a nation dedicated to the principles of democracy, Israel believes that criticism, whether by other nations or their own people, is a powerful force for positive change.
However, there is a clear distinction between legitimate calls for improvement and the attempt to delegitimize Israel by consistently singling it out and holding it up to standards not applied to other states - all this while ignoring the context in which Israel must strive to survive in the face of violent attacks against its citizens and, all too often, against its very existence.
The bottom line is that everybody loves a helpless jew. But when the Jew is in a position of power....you all cry. |
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| smokeape |
No new news here. We're not going to let Israel simply flatten Palestine into a lunar landscape and be done with the problem. They could, if we weren't restraining them. On the other hand, the Palestinian terrorists continue to cowardly pester and provoke Israel under these circumstances...
:cool:
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Escobar
All those of you who are self proclaimed anti-Zionists must understand that Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people - an expression of their legitimate aspiration to self-determination and national independence. The Zionist movement was founded to provide an ancient people with a sovereign state of its own in its ancestral homeland. Israel is the modern political embodiment of this age-old dream.
The goal of anti-Zionism is to undermine the legitimacy of Israel, thereby denying the Jewish people their place in the community of nations. Denigration of Zionism is therefore an attack on Israel's basic right to exist as a nation equal to all other nations, in violation of one of the fundamental principles of international law.
Just as antisemitism denies Jews their rights as individuals in society, anti-Zionism attacks the Jewish people as a nation, on the international level. Similar to the use of "the Jew" as a scapegoat for many a society's problems, Israel has been singled out for special condemnation in the international arena.
Moreover, it is no coincidence that the recent censure of Israel in international forums and the media has been accompanied by a sharp increase in antisemitic incidents in many parts of the world.
Anti-Zionism is often manifested as attacks on Israel in the United Nations and other international forums, and even online forums (such as this one). Over the years, almost every meeting and every event of the international community has been exploited as an opportunity to condemn Israel - no matter what the subject matter, no matter how tenuous the tie to the conflict in the Middle East.
As a nation dedicated to the principles of democracy, Israel believes that criticism, whether by other nations or their own people, is a powerful force for positive change.
However, there is a clear distinction between legitimate calls for improvement and the attempt to delegitimize Israel by consistently singling it out and holding it up to standards not applied to other states - all this while ignoring the context in which Israel must strive to survive in the face of violent attacks against its citizens and, all too often, against its very existence.
The bottom line is that everybody loves a helpless jew. But when the Jew is in a position of power....you all cry. |
You are such a hipocrite. Israels right to exist???? Israels birth was based on salughter and theft and getting rid of anything that was palestinian.
I can tear this whole lame filthy zio post apart.. but i have theflu and dont feel like it. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
I know an excellent peice of academic work that may help him understand the conflict! :D ;) |
What you mean you've written something new:conf:
:haha:
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| Escobar |
ya ya ya...
cyrus you are the filth here...
and whu are we kidding....you are 100% a Palestinian.
your hate for the jews is such that you cant hide it. |
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| shaolin_Z |
he said nothing derogatory about jews. he was criticizing zionism.
criticizing zionism != anti-semitism |
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| shaolin_Z |
here's a good book on the subject if you're interested:
Fateful Triangle: The United States, Israel, and the Palestinians
by Noam Chomsky |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
What you mean you've written something new:conf:
:haha:
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Well, actually I have! But I was refering to the other one! This new one is too balanced so I am a little embarraced :o |
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