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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 134)
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| Cyrus King |
I LOVE IT!!! WEEEP you robbing s.. weep until you die |
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
I LOVE IT!!! WEEEP you robbing s.. weep until you die |
Pretty typical of you.
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Israel's Agony, Palestine's Future
August 18, 2005; Page A10
Even for those who believe -- as we do -- that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is right to withdraw Jewish settlements from the Gaza Strip, the past few days in Israel have been heart-rending to watch.
Settlers are abandoning homes, and farmers fields, that have been theirs for years, sometimes decades. Young Israeli soldiers are being asked to enforce the government's writ on their cousins, siblings and parents. Mr. Sharon has risked his job, and lost much of his political base, to move ahead with the withdrawal. The international community, including the U.S., which has long demanded sacrifices from "both sides" for the sake of peace, now has the satisfaction of seeing that sacrifice vividly offered, at least on the Israeli side.
The logic behind the withdrawal is clear. Prior to the weekend, there were only 8,500 Israeli settlers in an area that contained one million or more Palestinians. Contrary to received opinion, for most of Israel's occupation these settlers were an economic boon to Palestinians, providing them with agricultural and small-factory jobs that had never existed under the previous Egyptian military administration.
But that was before Yasser Arafat returned to Gaza to radicalize the population, and before the outbreak of the intifada, in which the settlers became the targets of incessant Palestinian terrorism. Protecting the settlers, some of them in isolated communities, turned out to be a huge drain on Israel's military and economic resources, resources that could be better deployed by putting the country behind clear defensible lines. The much-maligned Israeli security fence is part of the same strategy, and it has helped reduce Israel's terror fatalities by over 90% in two years. These are real benefits for Israel, even if the Gaza withdrawal has not been met by reciprocal Palestinian concessions.
At the same time, the risks of withdrawal are also clear, the main one being that the Palestinians will view it as a sign of weakness. There are indications this is happening, with Hamas declaring in a slogan that "resistance wins, so let's go on." Gaza may yet become a kind of "Hamastan" -- a regional terrorist enclave threatening not just Israel but also neighboring Egypt and perhaps Europe. Israel's main security against this possibility lies in its overwhelming conventional military deterrent, just as it does against "Hezbollahstan" on its northern border with Lebanon.
The man who could make the withdrawal work and stop Hamastan in its tracks is Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. Mr. Abbas came to office democratically in January with a pledge to confiscate illegal weapons and "make the law the leader in this country." Less than a year later, however, the Palestinian territories are more lawless than ever.
Mr. Abbas has been unable to rein in the Aksa Martyrs' Brigades, which is the terrorist paramilitary wing of his ruling Fatah party. He has also failed, or perhaps refused, to enforce his will on Hamas, trying instead to coax them into the political process and getting them to agree to a ceasefire. Hamas has not abandoned its arms, but it has seen its political popularity soar in the face of Mr. Abbas's obvious weakness.
In the coming months, Mr. Abbas may seek to deflect attention from his government's shortcomings by demanding further Israeli withdrawals from the West Bank. (Israel already intends to remove four small settlements in the northern West Bank.) If history is any guide, his plea will find sympathetic ears in European capitals and probably some pockets of the U.S. foreign policy establishment.
But Israel cannot be expected to make further wrenching withdrawals if the message from the international community is that they are never enough. And Palestine will have no hope of becoming a functional and civilized state if no serious demands are made of it to reform its institutions and eliminate its culture of terrorism and hooliganism.
The problem with Palestine today isn't the absence of land -- Singapore isn't much larger than Gaza, and is four times as populous -- but the poverty of expectations as to what it ought to be and might become. Israel has now done what it had to. It's time the Palestinians follow suit. |
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| tatgirl |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
GOOOOOOOOOOD!!!! cry you in thief. You now know what it feels like bitch!!!! |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
I LOVE IT!!! WEEEP you robbing s.. weep until you die |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
some of these insects were reading the torah as soldiers were carrying them out.. thinking some devine god was going to come and save them!
WHERES YOUR GOD NOW FAAAAAAAAAACKERS!!!!!!!! ahhahahahahahahaaha
If he wanted you there.. you would still be there right??? ahhahaha |
Wow, Kaveh.... impressive. :rolleyes: How old are you, really?
Do u REALLY think these teenage girls were even ALIVE when they were born in these areas??? Yet, that somehow makes them 'thieves'. Intelligent. I think anyone who loses their home would cry, under ANY circumstance.
I'm glad they're leaving, but there's no need to kick someone while they're down, regardless of which side you're on. Instead of having something productive to say, like 'this is one step towards peace', all you can say is 'weep til you die'? < Comments like that just prove the lack of a desire for peace from the Arab community- just total annihilation would make you happy. With attitudes like that, its no wonder why there's no peace.
Lets see what 'great' things this piece of plot of land will deliver.
(I'm not holding my breath) |
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| malek |
Jesus wasn't an arab jew, wtf you talking about.
He was an aramean jew. |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
Wow, Kaveh.... impressive. :rolleyes: How old are you, really?
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He seems to have the mentality of a 5 year old. |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
Wow, Kaveh.... impressive. :rolleyes: How old are you, really?
Do u REALLY think these teenage girls were even ALIVE when they were born in these areas??? Yet, that somehow makes them 'thieves'. Intelligent. I think anyone who loses their home would cry, under ANY circumstance.
I'm glad they're leaving, but there's no need to kick someone while they're down, regardless of which side you're on. Instead of having something productive to say, like 'this is one step towards peace', all you can say is 'weep til you die'? < Comments like that just prove the lack of a desire for peace from the Arab community- just total annihilation would make you happy. With attitudes like that, its no wonder why there's no peace.
Lets see what 'great' things this piece of plot of land will deliver.
(I'm not holding my breath) |
+1
That was the point I tried to make, you said it better. |
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| George Smiley |
| I find it incredibly hard to feel any kind of sympathy towards the settlers whether they were born there or whether they came over from America to do their tour of duty. They are ALL religious nutcases, no better than al-Qaida. After what they have put the Palestinians through by being there, and what normal Israelis have had to suffer as a consequence of the settlers being there, all I can say is them |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
Wow, Kaveh.... impressive. :rolleyes: How old are you, really?
Do u REALLY think these teenage girls were even ALIVE when they were born in these areas??? Yet, that somehow makes them 'thieves'. Intelligent. I think anyone who loses their home would cry, under ANY circumstance.
I'm glad they're leaving, but there's no need to kick someone while they're down, regardless of which side you're on. Instead of having something productive to say, like 'this is one step towards peace', all you can say is 'weep til you die'? < Comments like that just prove the lack of a desire for peace from the Arab community- just total annihilation would make you happy. With attitudes like that, its no wonder why there's no peace.
Lets see what 'great' things this piece of plot of land will deliver.
(I'm not holding my breath) |
As a teenager... i would know full well where, on whose land and the reasons why my settlements were built. They deserved to be kicked. These people are selfish robbers. I wouldnt care if these settlers were annihilated.. to me they are as bad as terrorist scum. I will never have sympathy for these insects.
I wish they were as understanding as the majority of Israelis...but they are immoral rats that make me sick.
ITs becuase of settlers like this why there isnt any peace. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
Jesus wasn't an arab jew, wtf you talking about.
He was an aramean jew. |
ill be more specific.. he was a semetic jew. :)
Most of the middle east population is semite |
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| Chris T. Dot |
| I find it sick that some of you morons take pleasure in other's pain. Posting pictures of teens crying because they are losing the very place that grew up in and then making the comments you do is disgusting to say the least, especially since some of them were born there and had nothing to do with ending up where they were. Then again, I shouldn't have expected anything different from the likes of heartless scum. You should be ashamed of yourselves. |
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| Chris T. Dot |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
I LOVE IT!!! WEEEP you robbing s.. weep until you die |
Typical Cyrus King. Geez I would hate to be you, your life must be for you to actually get entertainment from this. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chris T. Dot
I find it sick that some of you morons take pleasure in other's pain. Posting pictures of teens crying because they are losing the very place that grew up in and then making the comments you do is disgusting to say the least, especially since some of them were born there and had nothing to do with ending up where they were. Then again, I shouldn't have expected anything different from the likes of heartless scum. You should be ashamed of yourselves. |
It's called Karma |
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