|
The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 146)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| Goashem |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
perhaps you should read some of the posts Ilan has made here in the past.and see how many times he got banned for them.Cyrus is against zionism Ilan yossef hates palestine and all the palestinian people.
So saying cyrus's comments are just as bad as Ilan is wrong imo.
and Iam not suggesting anything but thats what has happend in the past. |
you know what, i havent read any of ilan yosef previous posts but i have read yours. one of the best memories i have from this board is you laughing at a picture of a bombed bus in israel, so youre not the one to talk about hate. and the comments made by ilan yosef are the exact same ones that cyrus made. heres a couple quotes(ogvh5150 this one is for you as well):
| quote: | | those settler thieves and their mothers.. i hope they all die. |
| quote: | | Those settlers need to be drained of their blood. They are terrorists that need to be shot dead. |
|
|
|
| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
The PLO decided after Yom Kippur that "Greater Palestine" as you call it is unrealistic and settled for the Occupied Territories. |
if you say so :rolleyes: ;)
| quote: |
I can be against "Greater Israel" and I can be against "Greater Palestine" and I can support Palestinian and Israeli national ambitions within their own territories. I'm not sure why you're having a problem understanding that? |
Right but you didn't say it that way. You should have said you are for Zionism and for Palestiniansim. No buts... |
|
|
| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
if you say so :rolleyes: ;) |
Damn I was hoping to entice you into saying something about the "staged plan" which seems to be a popular belief amongst Israelis!
| quote: | | Right but you didn't say it that way. You should have said you are for Zionism and for Palestiniansim. No buts... |
I specifically said it depended on definition, or how you interpret those two terms. I can be for them or against them depending on what they mean. |
|
|
| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Goashem
(ogvh5150 this one is for you as well): |
I guess the phrase AFAIK escaped you so let me decipher it for you
As Far As I Know
As far as I know he is refering to zionists and not Israel as a whole.
You left out the part were he doesn't want children to die:
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Yes.. they are FILTHY DIRTY DISGUSTING WORTHLESS ZIONISTS!!!
And its sad how you lump a race of palestinians up and make a generalization. You are a racist hick american.. BAAAAAAAAAAARFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF on your MOTHER
The zionists are thieves. If all those pro-settler terrorists were annihilated during their march to Gush Katif.. i would not feel any remorse.. except for the innocent children that are being led into this terrorist land-stealing frenzy.
those settler thieves and their mothers.. i hope they all die.
I love seeing their sad faces crying as they are forced out of palestine. Theives are filth |
I am sure Cyrus can elaborate more (on whose land he refers to) which is the reason for this large thread:
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Zionist thieves usually hate me. Its not a surprise.
Those settlers need to be drained of their blood. They are terrorists that need to be shot dead. They have no right being on that land. them and their mothers. Why cant they be like the normal israeli and just live in what was already stolen 50 years ago. ISrael is all theirs now.. im sure palestinians have realized that by now....BUT NOOOO .. those greed filled zionist robbers need to live in gaza. DIE!!!
And if you support them.. you and your mother and father for creating your zio ass |
Post his whole statement next time and try not to push your ad hominem angle on me. |
|
|
| Goashem |
:rolleyes:
firstly, are you trying to make me look stupid by making it seem like i cant figure out what you write just because i try to inform you on things you dont know?
second, read the entire conversation before making comments on it, because you obviously have no idea whats going on. |
|
|
| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Damn I was hoping to entice you into saying something about the "staged plan" which seems to be a popular belief amongst Israelis! |
:conf:
no enticement, no comment. :p
| quote: |
I specifically said it depended on definition, or how you interpret those two terms. I can be for them or against them depending on what they mean. |
I thought diginut taught us all a lesson about arguing about definitions: you can do it for hundreds and hundreds of post and still be no better off at the end then when you start.
So don't define, generalize :D |
|
|
| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Goashem
:rolleyes:
firstly, are you trying to make me look stupid by making it seem like i cant figure out what you write just because i try to inform you on things you dont know?
second, read the entire conversation before making comments on it, because you obviously have no idea whats going on. |
Spare me the "Cyrus King is a terrorist, honest. Look at what he said." rhetoric will you please.
You're not denying what he has said but twisting a few words of his.
I took what chopped up sentences you took and included the whole text of those replies. If you want why don't we ask the man himself what kind of summary he can give us about THAT conversation.
I am sure you can come to an educated response next time.
I read what I see before I comment on what I read. |
|
|
| Goashem |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Spare me the "Cyrus King is a terrorist, honest. Look at what he said." rhetoric will you please.
You're not denying what he has said but twisting a few words of his.
I took what chopped up sentences you took and included the whole text of those replies. If you want why don't we ask the man himself what kind of summary he can give us about THAT conversation.
I am sure you can come to an educated response next time.
I read what I see before I comment on what I read. |
well there you go doing it again. not reading anything and just babbling from your impression about me. it seems to me that you believe im some kind of anti palestine/cyrus hater, which im not, and you just try to defend everyone who is supposably on the other side when im not even attacking them (in this case cyrus). if you have read the entire conversation you would have noted that what i was talking about was that cyruses comments about the settlers are the same comments made by ilan yosef about terrorists (not palestinians as a whole). and those quotes by cyrus i provided was in response to "Cyrus on his many occasions has called, in one way or another, zionists as murderers and landgrabbers. I don't ever think he has ever called for killing of anyone AFAIK.
While this other kid called for killing of people."
so please next time before you reply, take a deep breath, count to ten and when youre finally calm do respond. |
|
|
| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Goashem
well there you go doing it again. not reading anything and just babbling from your impression about me. it seems to me that you believe im some kind of anti palestine/cyrus hater, which im not, and you just try to defend everyone who is supposably on the other side when im not even attacking them (in this case cyrus). if you have read the entire conversation you would have noted that what i was talking about was that cyruses comments about the settlers are the same comments made by ilan yosef about terrorists (not palestinians as a whole). and those quotes by cyrus i provided was in response to "Cyrus on his many occasions has called, in one way or another, zionists as murderers and landgrabbers. I don't ever think he has ever called for killing of anyone AFAIK.
While this other kid called for killing of people."
so please next time before you reply, take a deep breath, count to ten and when youre finally calm do respond. |
Oh boy I guess I need a time out. Lucky for me it's not as serious as you pretend it to be. So watch what you say. I might make you dig deep for those big words you seldom use.
| quote: | Originally posted by Goashem
see thats the thing i never said anything when Cyrus made those comments about the settlers because i was with an agreement with him. whats bothered me was that hardcore trancer was in support of cyruses comments because settlers stole land blah blah blah. but he is suggesting the ban of ilan yosef because ilan supports IDFs efforts of stopping terrorists. to me this is hypocrisy(on hardcore trancers behalf) since both members(cyrus and ilan) made similar comments only concerning different sides of the conflict.
your sig is hacking me :( |
Wasn't for me to read but my bad.
No society should fall into the hands of a few individuals or small group who believe they are doing what they do for the greater good. No matter what religion they based their ideals from. |
|
|
| ogvh5150 |
ADVISERS appointed by Tony Blair after the London bombings are proposing to scrap the Jewish Holocaust Memorial Day because it is regarded as offensive to Muslims.
They want to replace it with a Genocide Day that would recognise the mass murder of Muslims in Palestine, Chechnya and Bosnia as well as people of other faiths.
The draft proposals have been prepared by committees appointed by Blair to tackle extremism. He has promised to respond to the plans, but the threat to the Holocaust Day has provoked a fierce backlash from the Jewish community.
Holocaust Day was established by Blair in 2001 after a sustained campaign by Jewish leaders to create a lasting memorial to the 6m victims of Hitler. It is marked each year on January 27.
Ditch Holocaust day, advisers urge Blair
There were more gentiles killed than anyone can count:
| quote: | Originally posted by http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/ssrg/misc/misery.html
A Record of Misery: mass killing in the past five decades
This table lists events involving 100,000 or more human deaths.
Mass Killings
China: Mao's reign of terror, 1949-65 20 million plus [2,4,5]
USSR: Stalin's terror, 1936-53 20 million plus [1,2,5]
WWII: combatant deaths 16.8 million [4]
WWII: noncombatant deaths
Russia/USSR:civilian deaths by Nazis 7-12 million [4,5]
Europe: The Holocaust, 1933-45 6 million [1,4]
Other WWII noncombatant deaths 6 million [4]
Sino-Japanese War: 1937-45 3.5 million [4]
Korean War: 1950-53 2 million [4]
Eritrea: vs Cuba/Ethiopia, 1961-91,
inc. 1 mil. famine deaths 1984-85 2 million [4]
Vietnam War: 1961-75, incl. 600,000
noncombatants 1.7 million [4]
Cambodia: Khmer Rouge killing fields,
1975-79 1.6 million [4]
Afghanistan: vs. Soviets, 1979-89 1.3 million [4]
China: Civil war, 1945-49 1.2 million [4]
Rwanda: Hutus vs Tutsis, 3 months 1994 1 million [3]*
*Other estimates are of 500,000+ deaths
for this period (Economist 8/20/94 p.33)
Sudan: Civil war, 1955-72, 1983-
(incl. 250,000 famine deaths in 1988) 1 million [4]
Spain: Civil war, 1936-39 610,000 [4,7]
Nigeria: Civil war (Biafra), 1967-70,
including famine deaths 500,000 [4]
Kurdistan: Kurds vs Iraq, Iran, Syria,
Turkey, 1925- 500,000 [6]
India-Pakistan partition 1949 500,000
Iran-Iraq war, 1987-1992 500,000
Algeria: FLN vs France, 1954-62 300,000 [4]
Burundi: Tutsi slaughter of Hutus, 1972 300,000 [8]
Pakistan: Reprisals against Bengalis,
9 months in 1971 250,000 [4]
Indonesia: Civil war, 1965-66 250,000 [4]
Indonesia: Timor war, 1975-88 200,000 [4]
Bosnia: "Ethnic cleansing", 1992- 200,000 [3]
Congo: Congo-Kinshasa unrest, 1960-66 110,000 [7]
Rwanda: Hutu massacre of Tutsis, 1956-65 105,000 [7]
Refugees
Afghanistan: 1979-94 6 million [3]
Rwanda: 3 months, 1994 2.4 million [3]
Mozambique: Civil war & famine, 1975-92 1.5 million [3]
Iraq: Kurds fleeing after Gulf War,
in 6 weeks, 1991 1.4 million [3]
Somalia: Civil war, 1988-94 1 million [3]
Sources
Charny (1988) Genocide: a critical bibliographic review, vol.2.
Matthews (1994) Guiness Book of Records, pp. 184-85.
Masland (1994) "Will it be Peace or Punishment?," Newsweek (August 1):37.
Clodfelter (1992) Warfare and Armed Conflicts, vol. 2.
Elliot (1972) Twentieth Century Book of the Dead.
"Estmated War Casualties" (Table), Cultural Survival Quarterly, 11(3):11.
Bouthoul (1978) "A list of the 366 Majot Armed Conflicts of the period 1740-1974," Peace Research, 10(3):83-108.
"Burundi: Not a twin," Economist (August 20, 1994):34. |
|
|
|
| Goashem |
why would i even consider using big words when you cant understand simple english?
*waiting for another paranoid response* |
|
|
| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
There were more gentiles killed than anyone can count: |
Right but it wasn't done in factories or for purely sterotypical reasons. |
|
|
|
|
