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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 145)
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Goashem
neither of those sentences support ilan yosefs comments. and even then how are those sentences biased? |
You suggested shooting the arse off Palestinians to teach them a lesson |
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| Goashem |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
You suggested shooting the arse off Palestinians to teach them a lesson |
he was talking about terrorists. though he mentioned just palestinians, the IDF does stop israeli terrorist as well, and im in total support of stopping nut case bastards from hurting innocent people. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Goashem
he was talking about terrorists. though he mentioned just palestinians, the IDF does stop israeli terrorist as well, and im in total support of stopping nut case bastards from hurting innocent people. |
So why are you bothered about what Cyrus said about the settlers?!?!??!
For God's sake make ur mind up man!!! |
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| Goashem |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
So why are you bothered about what Cyrus said about the settlers?!?!??!
For God's sake make ur mind up man!!! |
see thats the thing i never said anything when Cyrus made those comments about the settlers because i was with an agreement with him. whats bothered me was that hardcore trancer was in support of cyruses comments because settlers stole land blah blah blah. but he is suggesting the ban of ilan yosef because ilan supports IDFs efforts of stopping terrorists. to me this is hypocrisy(on hardcore trancers behalf) since both members(cyrus and ilan) made similar comments only concerning different sides of the conflict.
your sig is hacking me :( |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Goashem
see thats the thing i never said anything when Cyrus made those comments about the settlers because i was with an agreement with him. whats bothered me was that hardcore trancer was in support of cyruses comments because settlers stole land blah blah blah. but he is suggesting the ban of ilan yosef because ilan supports IDFs efforts of stopping terrorists. to me this is hypocrisy(on hardcore trancers behalf) since both members(cyrus and ilan) made similar comments only concerning different sides of the conflict.
your sig is hacking me :( |
I'll let you into a little secret...
My sig is hacking me too! |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Goashem
however hardcore trancer supported cyruses comments and joined him with similar posts, but now that ilan yossef came with similar remarks that support the other side hardcore trancer is suggesting a ban of that user. im just pointing out his double standard. now can you explain to me how im doing the bias here, i always enjoy being enlightened. |
perhaps you should read some of the posts Ilan has made here in the past.and see how many times he got banned for them.Cyrus is against zionism Ilan yossef hates palestine and all the palestinian people.
So saying cyrus's comments are just as bad as Ilan is wrong imo.
and Iam not suggesting anything but thats what has happend in the past. |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Thanks because umm... we don't no how to go find news about a topic if it wasn't for you!:rolleyes: ;)
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No one is immune to the human condition. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
perhaps you should read some of the posts Ilan has made here in the past.and see how many times he got banned for them.Cyrus is against zionism Ilan yossef hates palestine and all the palestinian people.
So saying cyrus's comments are just as bad is Ilan is wrong imo.
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Zionism and Palestinian'ism' are both political nationalistic movements. I don't understand how you beleive if one is against one (zionism) this is ok, yet if one is against another (Palestinianism) this is bad:conf: |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
perhaps you should read some of the posts Ilan has made here in the past.and see how many times he got banned for them.Cyrus is against zionism Ilan yossef hates palestine and all the palestinian people.
So saying cyrus's comments are just as bad is Ilan is wrong imo.
and Iam not suggesting anything but thats what has happend in the past. |
To side for you at this moment in time I have to add:
Cyrus on his many occasions has called, in one way or another, zionists as murderers and landgrabbers. I don't ever think he has ever called for killing of anyone AFAIK.
While this other kid called for killing of people.
I feel something like that would be a violation of international law. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Zionism and Palestinian'ism' are both political nationalistic movements. I don't understand how you beleive if one is against one (zionism) this is ok, yet if one is against another (Palestinianism) this is bad:conf: |
Depends what you mean by Zionism. Neo-Zionism as adhered to by fundamentalist Jews (ie settlers/American Jews) is fighting for the establishment of 'Greater Israel' which means annexing the West Bank (and Gaza/Golan Heights). This is blatently wrong, as I'm sure you will agree. However, (I speak only for me sen here) Zionism in as far as the right for Israel (as it stands now - ie pre-67 borders) to exist in peace is perfectly acceptable. The problem is when Palestinian nationalism overlaps with neo-Zionism. The two are not mutally exclusive and encroachments into the occupied territories furthers the cause of neo-Zionism but harms the cause of Palestinian nationalism. I have no problem with Zionism if it concerns pre-67 borders (ie the right for Israel to live in peace) as that does not effect Palestinian nationalism (today that is, obviously in the past it did) but I do have a problem with neo-Zionism. So yes, I can be for Palestinian nationalism and either for or against Zionism depending on what you mean by it... |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
So yes, I can be for Palestinian nationalism and either for or against Zionism depending on what you mean by it... |
Not really, because just like "greater zionism" which you call neo-zionism, there is a "greater palestinianism" which is otherwise known as (or I call) the "Palestinian terrorist movement" or "old-Palestinianism".
Regardless, both these nationalistic political movements strive for a greater Israel. The only differece I can see is in the way these movements have been executed, whereas the leaders of the zionist state have denoucned greater Israel, Palestinian leaders have only lived by the greater Palestine.
So if you were to look at the big picture, not the nitpick little items, I fail to see how you can be for one political/national movement while not for another by virtue of principle alone. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Not really, because just like "greater zionism" which you call neo-zionism, there is a "greater palestinianism" which is otherwise known as (or I call) the "Palestinian terrorist movement" or "old-Palestinianism".
Regardless, both these nationalistic political movements strive for a greater Israel. The only differece I can see is in the way these movements have been executed, whereas the leaders of the zionist state have denoucned greater Israel, Palestinian leaders have only lived by the greater Palestine.
So if you were to look at the big picture, not the nitpick little items, I fail to see how you can be for one political/national movement while not for another by virtue of principle alone. |
The PLO decided after Yom Kippur that "Greater Palestine" as you call it is unrealistic and settled for the Occupied Territories.
I can be against "Greater Israel" and I can be against "Greater Palestine" and I can support Palestinian and Israeli national ambitions within their own territories. I'm not sure why you're having a problem understanding that? |
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