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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 99)
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| Abhay |
| quote: | Originally posted by articnorth
well, support the US over the UN.
i realise the UN is a board room, where people discuss butt crap and sip coffee.
who knows... kofi annan may be the coffee maker.. after his name
imagine... they are sitiing there drinking coffee...
kofi mus tbe thinking... wat do debate over .. food for oil or support the palestinian bastards and widows whose mothers say...
go to war is better than feeding my kids and giving all for jihad.
if u realise, his voice is weird...i guess his voice and tone suggest his age of needing more viagra.
bush did something rite... he did the intiative and whack the retards(terrorists)
oh yah.... W.A.R means whack all retards.( terrorists)
has anyone seen the jay leno adaptation of osama bin laden doing jihad on the phone.... reallly funny |
talk crap and sip coffee?
u need to sit and listen to or read some of these debates :p.....
as for the rest of ur post bro >... :D >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>:wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: |
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| shaolin_Z |
| don't bother, some ppl (or should I say many ppl) are ignorant of the history of issues/are misinformed (this one in particular). plus, many ppl's opinons on this are affected by their anti-muslim/arab prejudice (especially if they're ignorant/funadametalist christians). it's pointless to argue with ppl like that. the arab/brown man/muslim is the new n1gger now. |
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| Abhay |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
don't bother, some ppl (or should I say many ppl) are ignorant of the history of issues/are misinformed (this one in particular). plus, many ppl's opinons on this are affected by their anti-muslim/arab prejudice (especially if they're ignorant/funadametalist christians). it's pointless to argue with ppl like that. the arab/brown man/muslim is the new n1gger now. |
Heh...;)
despite all the in ur media and the ability of the goverment to affect it's ppl's minds, via their hearts, and some of the ignorant ones arond...
ppl like you, are the REAL reason God should Bless America...
American's have done great things, but they're a society living in fear :p
IMHO,
ABhay |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abhay
ppl like you, are the REAL reason God should Bless America...
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:D :D :D :D
thanx |
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| shaolin_Z |
a step towards peace :rolleyes:
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Sharon pledges settlement growth
Maale Adumim settlement in the West Bank
Palestinians say the Israeli plan will cut eastern Jerusalem in two
Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has pledged to go ahead with the expansion of a Jewish settlement near Jerusalem fiercely opposed by Palestinians.
He said 3,500 homes would be built to link to form a corridor between the city and the largest West Bank settlement, Maale Adumim.
The US secretary of state has warned the plan is "at odds with US policy".
But Israelis hope George W Bush will confirm they can keep the settlement when he meets Mr Sharon next week.
"We know he will keep his word," said Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, speaking of the US president's pledge last year that Israel could retain large settlements under a final peace accord.
The Palestinians are strongly opposed to the plan, which they say will split eastern Jerusalem in two, effectively preventing it from becoming the capital of their future state.
US criticism
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said last month she thought the move might have a negative impact on the peace process, adding that settlement expansion should come to a "full stop".
On Monday, White House spokesman Scott McClellan appeared to confirm this stance.
"We oppose the expansion of any settlement activity," he said.
"That has been our view and that remains our view."
He added that settlement activity was on the agenda for next week's talks between the US president and Mr Sharon in Texas, which will focus on the Israeli pullout from the Gaza Strip.
Palestinian fears
But Mr Sharon seemed confident he would be able to carry out his plan.
"I don't see construction in the E-1 area as a serious problem," Reuters news agency quoted Mr Sharon as saying on Monday, in a reference to the strip that should eventually connect the Maale Adumim settlement to Jerusalem.
Palestinians fear that the withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, an impoverished area with relatively few Israeli settlers, will lead to Israel gaining more control over the West Bank and Jerusalem.
The international community considers all settlements in Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, as illegal under international law, though Israel disputes this. |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4410853.stm |
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| shaolin_Z |
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ZNet | Israel/Palestine
Israeli Attacks
by John Petrovato; April 03, 2005
Over the past week American viewers have consumed endless images of Terry Schiavo as she lay on her bed in a vegetative state. Scenes of protests outside the hospital and multitudes of political pundits on news programs waded in to give analysis and opinions. People came out in droves to decry the euthanasia of one woman who has been in a vegetative state for 15 years. As Americans were consumed by the media circus surrounding the case, unimaginable tragedy for hundreds of thousands of otherwise healthy people around the world went unnoticed by the media.
Meanwhile, international organizations such as the United Nations have reported that some 30,000 people are now dying daily from lack of food and water. Further, thousands more die every day from treatable illnesses. Beyond death caused by poverty, state-sponsored terror against civilian populations by governments’ military or by militia groups is occurring on almost every continent.
Of personal interest was the upswing of attacks against non-combatant Palestinians by both the Israeli military as well as Israeli civilians who are illegally residing in the Palestinian West Bank. While the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has been a regular segment on U.S. news programs, over the past week very little has been reported. One friend told me: “you must be pleased that things are very quiet in Palestine – looks like peace may be on its way”. It is common to assume that peace and “quiet” is the norm in places that aren’t being covered by the media. Unfortunately, such is very far from the truth. Below I want to relate some of the violence that has occurred against both Palestinians and international human rights observers in the West Bank over the past few days. Most of these stories have not been covered by the media and thus begs the question: why does the media cover nearly every incident of violence against Israeli’s (both civilians and military) but not of Palestinians when they are the victims?
As reported on numerous Palestinian and international human rights web sites, as well as by foreign journalists, there has been an upswing of attacks by armed Israeli civilians against unarmed Palestinian civilians. For instance, on Friday, March 25, armed groups of Israeli Talmudic settlers from the Yitzar settlement (outside of Nablus in the center of the West Bank) attacked the Palestinian village of Asira Al-Qibliya. Wearing black masks and screaming, the Israeli settlers went into people’s homes, threw rocks through people’s windows and beat Palestinians.
Masked Israeli settlers were also attacking villages in the Hebron area as well. On March 24, Israeli settler militias attacked shepherds and international peace activists (including two Americans) who were merely attempting to document the attacks while the Israeli military did nothing to stop them. “KL”, a Danish ISM activist wrote of the incident:
“Three young soldiers get out just to stand around and do nothing, despite the fact that we repeatedly ask, as the settlers begin to kick and beat us. Not until a grown man has thrown himself on top of our female American friend and punched her many times in the face, neck and chest, does one of the soldiers help to get him off of her. Afterwards the soldier decides to help the man find his glasses. We draw back toward the village with the shepherds, as the screaming settlers try to get past the soldiers. We phoned the police as soon as the two youngsters got out of the pick-up, and were positively surprised that they promised to come quickly. I had heard that the police often don't really handle cases involving settlers out of fear. My positive attitude toward the Israeli Police did not last long. It took several calls before they finally showed up one and a half hour later. We tried to explain to them what happened, but soon the settlers came driving down again and started yelling in Hebrew at the police. Before we knew it, the police had taken our passports, the settlers were going home, and we are on our way to the police station”. (Electronic Intifada, April 1, 2005).
The international human rights activists have now been informed that they are not allowed to return to the area as the masked Israeli settlers charged that the two activists had beaten them.
Also in the Hebron area, the villagers of Yatta discovered that Israeli settlers had placed poisonous feed and pellets on Palestinian land. Investigated and confirmed by the Christian Peacemaker team, they reported that many animals have died and others have been injured by the poison.
On a different level, many towns and areas, such as Balata refugee camp, had been invaded and harassed by the Israeli military. Daily military incursions into Palestinian residential areas are common. The result is constant fear of unwarranted arrests or violence.
With such occurring on a daily basis it is astonishing to see that most Palestinians have kept their commitment to non-violence as their choice of resistance. Even over the past week or so, over a dozen protest marches and demonstrations have occurred throughout the West Bank.
On Wednesday, March 30, in commemoration of “Palestinian Land Day”, there was over half a dozen demonstrations that occurred. Hannah Mermelstein, a Boston-based activist, wrote of a march that she and other internationals attended in Salfit:
“We marched with “Women for Life”, a Salfit women’s group that formed in part to oppose the impending Wall in this region, to a polluted valley called Wadi Qana. Surrounded by settlements and outposts, this village was evacuated in the 1980s and most of the land and water has been stolen or completely contaminated by sewage from the settlements”.
The Israeli government is doing its own part to dispossess Palestinians from their land for the benefit of Israeli civilians. Over the past week, it has been discovered that the Israeli government is in the process of building another 3,500 housing units in the West Bank. Authorized by Ariel Sharon, these housing units will be located between Maaleh Adumim and East Jerusalem. The project is designed to make Palestinian claims to Jerusalem less viable. Though Israel had invaded and annexed Jerusalem in 1967, the international community has refused to accept its legality. While applauding Sharon’s “bold moves” for removing 5,000 settlers from the Gaza strip, American leaders have given little attention to the rapid growth and development of settlements in the Palestinian West Bank. Indeed the extension of the Gush Etzion settlement in the West Bank has been designed to take in the settlers who are being evacuated from Gaza.
Settlement building and expansions are in contradiction to the internationally backed “road map”. Further depressing is the fact that George W. Bush has made repeated statements of recent saying that large Israeli settlement blocs in the West bank need to be accepted as a reality for any future peace deal. This policy statement is in direct opposition to international law and the 4th Geneva Convention that states that an occupying power cannot transfer its own population into the territory that it is occupying.
Along with settlement expansions, Israel continues to build the controversial “Separation barrier” throughout the West Bank on Palestinian land, effectively annexing thousands of acres into the state of Israel. Thus even while it is widely recognized as illegal under international law, it continues to be built at an ever quickening pace. For the past few weeks, the wall is being built at the northern entrance to Bethlehem. The wall has segregated a number of Palestinian families from Bethlehem leaving them in “no-man’s land” as they are not Israeli citizens and now have no access to Palestinian areas. The wall has also destroyed thousands of olive trees and other agricultural properties.
Thus, not only does the Wall continue to be built on Palestinian land further impoverishing the indigenous population for the benefit of a select ethnic group, the continued unchecked violence by both Israeli settlers and their military against unarmed and non-combatant Palestinian has continued daily. Of course we must not forget about the hundreds of roadblocks and dozens of military checkpoints in the West Bank that prevent people from attending school, going to work, or visiting family.
Of course the media is generally complicit to uncritical reporting. Most of their information comes from the Israeli government itself and few reporters leave Israeli proper or Jerusalem. During my three 6-week visits to the West Bank, foreign journalists were rarely seen. This should not be a considered a surprise. Israel regularly refuses journalists (as well as all foreign citizens and human rights workers) from traveling to Palestinian areas. Israel believes that part of its war with the Palestinians is a public relations war. Israeli officials actually speak openly about their need to control the way the conflict is represented in the United States and Europe. People who get all their news about the conflict from the mainstream media in the United States and Europe will never be able to understand this conflict. Without searching for alternative news sites that cover the events that occur there, most people in the “west” misunderstand the conflict as a “war between two peoples” or “Israeli response to Palestinian violence” without understanding the basic fact that the Palestinian people live under a harsh military occupation by a foreign army - an occupation which today is the longest running in history.
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| shaolin_Z |
here's another interesting article regarding the occupation and zionist motives.
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ZNet | Israel/Palestine
The End Of A Viable Palestinian State
by Jeff Halper; April 03, 2005
The fatal flaw in most analyses of the Israel-Palestine conflict is the assumption that if the Palestinians can just get a state of their own, then all will be fine. A state on all the Occupied Territories (UN Resolution 242), on most of the Occupied Territories (Oslo and the Road Map to the Geneva Initiative), on even half the Occupied Territories (Sharon's notion) - it doesn't matter. Once there's a Palestinian state the conflict is over and we can all move on to the next item on the agenda.
Wrong. A Palestinian state can just as easily be a prison as a legitimate state that addresses the national aspirations of its people. The crucial issue is viability. Israel is a small country, but it is three times larger than the Palestinian areas. The entire Occupied Areas - the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza - make up only 22% of Israel/Palestine. That means that even if all of the territories Israel conquered in 1967 were relinquished, it would still comprise a full 78% of the country. Would the Palestinian areas constitute a viable state? Barely. Just the size of the American state of Delaware (but with three times the population before refugees return), it would at least have a coherent territory, borders with Israel, Jordan, Syria and Egypt, a capital in Jerusalem, a port on the Mediterranean, an airport in Gaza, a viable economy (based on Holy Land tourism, agriculture and hi-tech) and access to the water of the Jordan River. An accepted member of the international community enjoying trade with its neighbors - and enjoying as well the support of a far-flung, highly educated and affluent diaspora - a small Palestinian state would have a shot at viability.
This is what Israel seeks to prevent. Ever since becoming the head of the Ministerial Committee on Settlements in the Begin government back in 1977, Ariel Sharon has been completely up-front about his intention of securing the entire Land of Israel for the Jewish people. “Security” has nothing to do with Israel's expansionist policies. Successive Israeli governments did not establish 200 settlements because of security. Nor did they build a massive infrastructure of Israeli-only highways that link the settlement blocs irreversibly into Israel for security reasons. Nor can the route of the Separation Barrier, nor the policy of expropriating Palestinian land and systematically demolishing Palestinian homes be explained by “security.” They all derive from one central goal: to claim the entire country for Israel. Period.
Still, Israel cannot “digest” the 3.6 million Palestinians living in the Occupied Territories. Giving them citizenship would nullify Israel as a Jewish state; not giving them citizenship yet keeping them forever under occupation would constitute outright apartheid. What to do? The answer is clear: establish a tiny Palestinian state of, say, five or six cantons (Sharon's term) on 40-70% of the Occupied Territories, completely surrounded and controlled by Israel. Such a Palestinian state would cover only 10-15% of the entire country and would have no meaningful sovereignty and viability: no coherent territory, no freedom of movement, no control of borders, no capital in Jerusalem, no economic viability, no control of water, no control of airspace or communications, no military - not even the right as a sovereign state to enter into alliances without Israeli permission.
And since the Palestinians will never agree to this, Israel must “create facts on the ground” that prejudice negotiations even before they begin. Last week's announcement that Israel is constructing 3500 housing units in E-1, a corridor connecting Jerusalem to the West Bank settlement of Ma'aleh Adumim, seals the fate of the Palestinian state. As a key element of an Israeli “Greater Jerusalem,” the E-1 plan removes any viability from a Palestinian state. It cuts the West Bank in half, allowing Israel to control Palestinian movement from one part of their country to another, while isolating East Jerusalem from the rest of Palestinian territory. Since 40% of the Palestinian economy revolves around Jerusalem and its tourist-based economy, the E-1 plan effectively cuts the economic heart out of any Palestinian state, rendering it nothing more than a set of non-viable Indian reservations.
If there is any silver lining in the E-1 plan, it is that it has highlighted American complicity in Israel's settlement expansion. The Bush Administration, while calling the E-1 plan “unhelpful,” nevertheless formally recognized the Ma'aleh Adumim settlement bloc, together with E-1, in last year's agreement between Bush and Sharon - a fundamental American policy change that was ratified almost unanimously by Congress. This puts the US in the very uncomfortable position of undermining its own Road Map initiative, which stems from the “Bush vision” of an Israeli-Palestinian peace. It also neutralizes completely America's role as an honest broker, and pits it against the other three members of the Road Map Quartet - Europe, the UN and Russia - who deplore the change in American policy. Most tragically, American support for Sharon's settlement project destroys forever the possibility of a viable Palestinian state, dooming the peoples of Israel-Palestine to perpetual conflict. How this squares with American interests in a stable Middle East is anybody's guess.
Jeff Halper, Coordinator of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD)
Contact: Angela Godfrey-Goldstein Action Advocacy Officer The Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions (ICAHD) Jerusalem
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| hardcore trancer |
looks like Isreal is taking the right direction toward peace.:whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip:
and then they gonna bitch and whine when there is a suicide bombing.:rolleyes:
wtf do you expect these people to do?sit back and watch their own people getting killed by a some in zionists?
I guess this is Isreal's way of peace.:mad: |
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| Escobar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abhay
Huh?
saves the day?
so every other country on the planet must be wrong...
but the US is right?
God Bless America :happy2: |
The 21 Arab states, with the aid of Islamic countries and the non-aligned camp, constitute a sympathetic ‘automatic majority' for these hostile initiatives,
So it is not every pther country in the planet... |
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| shaolin_Z |
| could you name any other country that supports Israel and vetoes UN resolutions regarding Israel? |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
looks like Isreal is taking the right direction toward peace.:whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip:
and then they gonna bitch and whine when there is a suicide bombing.:rolleyes:
wtf do you expect these people to do?sit back and watch their own people getting killed by a some in zionists?
I guess this is Isreal's way of peace.:mad: |
Israel doesn't want peace. It wants palestinian land exclusively for jews. |
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| Escobar |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Israel doesn't want peace. It wants palestinian land exclusively for jews. |
I don't believe that is true...
But I do think that the same can be said about the Palestinians...
Hamas, Islamic Jihad and all other terrorist organizations that run the Palestinians have said that they will not stop until they drive all jews into the ocean...all they want is to kill "infidels" |
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