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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 35)
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| Michael19 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
What special treatment are the Jews 'getting' exactly? :conf:
They aren't. But as bad as gay people and 'travellers' are treated, they're treatment shouldn't be compared with the holocaust.:rolleyes: |
No other "civilised"(sp?) country would get away with treating anouther coutry like israel has.
If Britian were stilling treating the catholics in Northern ireland how the palestinians where treated there would be uproar.
Alot of people dont like criticising jewish people because of the holocaust, yet its fine to treat gays and travellers bad even though they were gassed aswell.
P.S bit late in the reply, sorry |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Michael19
since before you came along.
99% of the agruments in this PDD have been fine until you arrived. Its only since you came that threads have decented into childhood slaggings.
please piss off or grow up. |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Michael19
No other "civilised"(sp?) country would get away with treating anouther coutry like israel has.
If Britian were stilling treating the catholics in Northern ireland how the palestinians where treated there would be uproar.
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If catholics in Northern ireland were stilling treating Britons the way the palestinians are treating the Israelis there would also be uproar.
Imagine rockets fired from northern ireland to mainland england
Imagine palestinians invading protestant homes and killing the women and children that inhabit the house.
Imagine suicide bombers going into gatecrasher and blowing the club up with people in it
your comparision obviously doesnt match what is happening in the middle east so i would not judge the situation based on that reasoning |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Izzy
If catholics in Northern ireland were stilling treating Britons the way the palestinians are treating the Israelis there would also be uproar.
Imagine rockets fired from northern ireland to mainland england
Imagine palestinians invading protestant homes and killing the women and children that inhabit the house.
Imagine suicide bombers going into gatecrasher and blowing the club up with people in it |
ooh please.:rolleyes:
poor Isreali's are soooo innocent in this whole situation right?.Lets not play the blaming game because I can go and on about what the IDF does to the Palestinians everyday and how they torture people all the time.The point here is that both sides here should take responsibility for their actions.
Also if their land wasnt occupied in the first place there wouldnt be any need for suicide bombing,but thats not the case they've lost their hopes and their everyday lives isnt the same as isreali's and they suffer alot more in this.They have no real homes and no real jobs or for that matter any economy thanks to Isreal and all its restrictions. |
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| BadBadNeil |
| There is never a need for suicide bombing civilians. Suicide bombing is what has prolonged this war and stopped peace for the past 10 years. This whole thing would have been solved long ago and I can't believe that the palestinian people actually see bombers who kill civilians are helping the cause when everytime it happens it just escalates everything. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
There is never a need for suicide bombing civilians. Suicide bombing is what has prolonged this war and stopped peace for the past 10 years. |
Yes Suicide bombing is wrong I agree,but you have to look at from a Palestinian point of view.When you have lost your family and you have no home to go to and your country is occupied,and you have no other way of fighting back(since they have no militery).What else is there to do?sit there and take it?I dont think so.
Also I dont think suicide bombing is the only reason that stopped peace in that region,there are many others.
| quote: | | I can't believe that the palestinian people actually see bombers who kill civilians are helping the cause when everytime it happens it just escalates everything. |
I dont think thats how they look at it,this is their way if fighting the occupation and the war even though it may seem unfair and hard to believe to some.To Palestinians getting bombed by war planes and helicopters with all those hi tech weapons isnt fair.dont tell me Isreal has never killed civillians in the past because they have and they will continue to do so. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| Judjing from the last three post it seems this may finally go somewhere. Before that its mostly been "your facts are wrong" "no your facts are wrong!". It's kind of hard to debate about an issue if ppl dont even agree on what's happened (history) and what's happening (the current situation). |
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| Sevas Stra |
| I just wanted to know, how exectly do you consider this an ocupation if the "palestinian" settlers in the area were offered to stay there, instead just laughed and caused major revolutions in jordan and syria and other countries and were forever band from their lands. Doesn't this indicate that the people themselves are war-mongering and liberalist. And if you were in control how exectly would you solve this little problem? Keep in the mind the state that Israel built in about 50 years from a desert to a high tech civilized society. |
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| Dunya |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sevas Stra
I just wanted to know, how exectly do you consider this an ocupation if the "palestinian" settlers in the area were offered to stay there,
Since when girl?
instead just laughed and caused major revolutions in jordan and syria and other countries and were forever band from their lands. Doesn't this indicate that the people themselves are war-mongering and liberalist. And if you were in control how exectly would you solve this little problem?
I still keep laughing :D, The real problem isn't the jews or the arabs ec, the problem is the USA.
Keep in the mind the state that Israel built in about 50 years from a desert to a high tech civilized society. |
And thank the Jewish correction zionist lobby in the USA for that. |
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| Sevas Stra |
| umm that isn't my post LOL |
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Yes Suicide bombing is wrong I agree,but you have to look at from a Palestinian point of view.When you have lost your family and you have no home to go to and your country is occupied,and you have no other way of fighting back(since they have no militery).What else is there to do?sit there and take it?I dont think so.
Also I dont think suicide bombing is the only reason that stopped peace in that region,there are many others.
I dont think thats how they look at it,this is their way if fighting the occupation and the war even though it may seem unfair and hard to believe to some.To Palestinians getting bombed by war planes and helicopters with all those hi tech weapons isnt fair.dont tell me Isreal has never killed civillians in the past because they have and they will continue to do so. |
Let's just say suicide bombing was their only weapon, perhaps like kamikazes in WWII saw it as their last option to defend their "homeland". Why would you go on a bus in non contested territory, go into a pizza restaurant, go into a nightclub and kill all those people who have nothing to do with the war or occupation as they see it. They were on their own territory minding their own business. They intentionally go into the israeli territory seeking to cause as much death as possible which is much further than what the israelis do when they have gone into the palestinian lands. The israelis don't go into the palestinian lands killing every random person they see because they realize that, that solves nothing, however killing militant leaders does help prevent those haneous attacks. Innocent palestinians die yes, but I think moreso as accidental deaths at the pursuit of mliitant leaders. If the israelis really wanted to kill random innocent palestinians at will they could do so in seconds. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Michael19
No other "civilised"(sp?) country would get away with treating anouther coutry like israel has. |
Two problems with this.
First A) What other 'country' is Israel treating, and how would you describe Israel's treatment if this other 'country'?
Second B) Do you consider nations like China, Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, Spain, Greece, USA, UK, Australia, civilized countries?
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If Britian were stilling treating the catholics in Northern ireland how the palestinians where treated there would be uproar. |
The UK was dealing with a 'civilized' foe as you put it. Israel is dealing with barbarians. You're the ones who invented the rule, you should be fimilar - you don't fight wars against barbarians the same way you do against civilized nations.
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Alot of people dont like criticising jewish people because of the holocaust, yet its fine to treat gays and travellers bad even though they were gassed aswell. |
Show me one racist person who hates Gays or 'travellers' and refuses to speak ill of the Jews because of the hologaust. In my bleak existance I have yet to encounter such a character.
| quote: | | P.S bit late in the reply, sorry |
Don't worry. I'm always here... waiting for you:disbelief |
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