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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 36)
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
Let's just say suicide bombing was their only weapon, perhaps like kamikazes in WWII saw it as their last option to defend their "homeland". Why would you go on a bus in non contested territory, go into a pizza restaurant, go into a nightclub and kill all those people who have nothing to do with the war or occupation as they see it. |
Really?the people have nothing to do with occupation,yes maybe not directly but what about those houses being built in the palastinian territory?
Why does the IDF destroys houses of the people who have nothing to do with suicide bombing?what did they do to deserve that?could it be that most Isrealie's see all arabs as terrorists?
| quote: | | They were on their own territory minding their own business. |
lol minding their own business on the palastinian land you mean.
| quote: | | They intentionally go into the israeli territory seeking to cause as much death as possible which is much further than what the israelis do when they have gone into the palestinian lands. |
Have you ever wondered why they feel that way? you think they were they born to kill?
| quote: | | The israelis don't go into the palestinian lands killing every random person they see because they realize that, that solves nothing, however killing militant leaders does help prevent those haneous attacks. |
Right and thats why they shoot rockets into crowded places to kill 1 terrorist.Even though that could mean killing 50 children at the same time. |
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| ResonantDrag |
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| BadBadNeil |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Really?the people have nothing to do with occupation,yes maybe not directly but what about those houses being built in the palastinian territory?
Why does the IDF destroys houses of the people who have nothing to do with suicide bombing?what did they do to deserve that?could it be that most Isrealie's see all arabs as terrorists?
lol minding their own business on the palastinian land you mean.
Have you ever wondered why they feel that way? you think they were they born to kill?
Right and thats why they shoot rockets into crowded places to kill 1 terrorist.Even though that could mean killing 50 children at the same time. |
I am talking about bombers who drive into downtown Israeli cities (not in palestinian land) and kill innocent people. What do they have to do with any occupation? What does eating in a restauraunt in Jerusalem have to do with the palestinian occupation?
Israelis shoot rockets at militants because with a missile on the guy's car you know he is a dead man and risks less troops rather than storming gaza and trying to kill the militant with guns while he goes into hiding. If it was for the sake of killing innocent people they wouldn't even have a target, they would just lob missiles anywhere they wanted. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
There is never a need for suicide bombing civilians. Suicide bombing is what has prolonged this war and stopped peace for the past 10 years. This whole thing would have been solved long ago and I can't believe that the palestinian people actually see bombers who kill civilians are helping the cause when everytime it happens it just escalates everything. |
dude. Thats the one thing you will probably never understand. Yes, I agree, that suicide bombings targeting civilians is wrong. But you can't judge them sitting in the US having absolutely no idea what ir's like to live under a brutal and humiliating occupation. They're deperate ppl in a desperate situation and they're gonna act the way ppl do in those circustamces (which obviously isnt the best course of action). But that the only way most of them think they can fight back. Let me make something clear by restating what i said earlier. Killing civilians is wrong. Ok there we go, now for my second point. You also have to view it from their point of view. More Israeli settlers = bigger Israeli threat for palestians. And even if you dont agree with the simple facts that the palestinians are the indigenous ppl and the Israeli are basically invaders and colonizers forcing the palastinians out of their homes, a load of the land under Israeli control is illegaly occupied territory. So in my opinion, they have no right to be in those areas to begin with. And I'm not saying the Israeli's are the only one's at fault to. Ofcourse not. But what the hell else do you expect ppl to do when they're being invaded by an outside force and their very existance is threatened not to mention the extremely humiliating conditions they live in. Once again, this isn't a justification for the wrongdoing on part of the palestinians. All I'm trying to explain to you is 1) why they use the means the use to fight back 2) its very unreasonable for you to judge them having absolutely no idea what it's like to be in their shoes. Israelis who are much better off than the palestinians (i.e have access to good education, jobs etc) should be doing alot more for solving the problem, not progressively killing more and more palestians and taking away the rest of their land. |
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| BadBadNeil |
So being desperate gives them the right to go into a restaurant and blow up people eating lunch. Thats like saying if Canada occupied Maine it would be ok to go to Toronto and blow up a church full of civilians instead of just fighting the soldiers occupying Maine.
Sure the israelis have no right to be in the settler territory but they already have a plan to move.
Of course the Israelis are better off, the palestinian people used to work in Israel. Their infitada has been their own downfall as they can no longer work as they are no longer welcome in israel under these circumstances. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
So being desperate gives them the right to go into a restaurant and blow up people eating lunch. |
I never said it was justified. I was only trying to explain their situation and why they're doing what they're doing. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| if some nation we're to invade the US and were treating us the way the palestinians were being treated, you would probably react in a very similar fashion. |
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| Michael19 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Two problems with this.
First A) What other 'country' is Israel treating, and how would you describe Israel's treatment if this other 'country'?
Second B) Do you consider nations like China, Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Pakistan, India, Indonesia, Spain, Greece, USA, UK, Australia, civilized countries? |
i mean in relation to Palistine.
I would consider some of those countries to be civilised.
| quote: | | The UK was dealing with a 'civilized' foe as you put it. Israel is dealing with barbarians. You're the ones who invented the rule, you should be fimilar - you don't fight wars against barbarians the same way you do against civilized nations. |
Its a matter of opinion on them being "barbarians", alot of people would consider the israelis to be the barbarians. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
The UK was dealing with a 'civilized' foe as you put it. Israel is dealing with barbarians. You're the ones who invented the rule, you should be fimilar - you don't fight wars against barbarians the same way you do against civilized nations.
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How ironic. Israel's policies and actions (the IDF in particular) are far more barbaric than any kind of Palestinian resistance.
Barbarians or not, you're still dealing with human being here and they should be treated in a humane manner and not like animals. |
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| eXstatic |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaolin_Z
How ironic. Israel's policies and actions (the IDF in particular) are far more barbaric than any kind of Palestinian resistance.
Barbarians or not, you're still dealing with human being here and they should be treated in a humane manner and not like animals. |
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| eXstatic |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
*sig* Bill Maher:"when we attack them we call it war,but when they attack us it is called terrorism"
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The very reason why Americans say the things they say, and also why they will never understand. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
So being desperate gives them the right to go into a restaurant and blow up people eating lunch. |
This may seem off topic but it really quite relevant. I'd like to make a point here. Think about the anger and sorrow Americans felt after 9-11 and multiply that times a zillion. That's how ppl in other countries who suffer horrible attrocities and injustices feel towards our Goverment that is eigther directly or indirectly supporting those attorocities. If you dont get that through your head, you're never going to understand other countries feel. And the cycle of violence will continue. You cannot reach a solution without understanding the cause of the problem. |
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