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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 105)
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Escobar
I understand that it is tactics...it is a terrorist tactic. then, Israel advances to capture them...in the middle of the CROSS fire (not one-sided) a civilian gets hit...and then gues what???
headlines: "Israel Murdered innocent civilian while they were happily playing the flute with his musuc teacher, siging song of peace"
OFF!!! their tactics are causing their own people to die.
If I was wnted by the popo and they were comming to get me, I would never start a gun battle in my house with my wife and kids inside just so as to use them as a shield...
Actually it has worked because there has been numeroues cases where neighbours and family members tipped the army off for fear of losing their homes.
There you go again, anybody who believes they have a right to live there are fundamentalists.....you are so typically self righteous!
Yes it is a buffer zone and yes they have the right to live there.
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Do I have to agree with you???
You ing left wing tree huggers are going to be the cause terror spreads so rapidaly....you keep find ing ways to defend it!
It is funny how you s actually believe that Israel just loves to shoot inocent people....the Palestinians are the ones with the deep hate , not the Israelis...wake up mate, your in a dream world...lala land..
You are pathetic for paying so much attention to that mate....
And in case you did not know, the sanhedrin is not a ruling authority...they are simply a court system...to enforce laws...granted they are the ones who choose who is the king...but c'mon....hahahahahahyou are so on crack to think they will overthrow the gov or even have any plans to...
I support Israel because I believe in thier right to exist a nation in thie ancestral homeland.
I hate ing terrorists and anyone who fights them is my friend. |
Whoa there mate! Your becoming slightly incoherant!
Do you think an Israeli life is worth more than a Palestinian life? Do you think all should have the same rights and be treated equally? I ask because you see no wrong in demolishing somebody's home as a "deterent" Tell me, should the Palestinians not also have that right? To demolish Israelis houses? And do you think that that is the action of a democratic government? No its not before you say!
And I'm sorry but the settlers have no right to live in the occupied territories. None whatsoever. They are not there to provide extra security as they decrease Israels security. How can you possibly say that a village full of civilians is providing security?! Your mad! They have no moral or legal right to be there and you know it (in fact the only people that would say they do have a moral right are religious fundamentalists like the settlers themselves)
As for the Sanhedrin they have already chosen somebody who is (supposedly) from the decent of David and want to install him on the thrown of Israel! I can see no reason why you think this would be a good thing unless you are one of those whacko Chrisitan fundamentalist Zionist types you get in America (aka Evangelicals) and other things you say back that up too.
And please put a bit of thought into what you write and there just is no need for all those prophaneties it really doesn't do you any favours! :D |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Escobar
Just a fun fact from your friendly neighbourhood spider man...:D |
Yes its your favourite fact I see. You like to post that fact up every other page!! The thing you dont realise is, it is completely irrelevant! It makes no difference who ruled the land or what the people there were called - the important fact is, when Israel was created, the majority of the people there were what are today are refered to as Palestinians. They left their homes and had every right to come back. They all have deeds to properties in Israel, how can you deny that? |
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| Escobar |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Yes its your favourite fact I see. You like to post that fact up every other page!! The thing you dont realise is, it is completely irrelevant! It makes no difference who ruled the land or what the people there were called - the important fact is, when Israel was created, the majority of the people there were what are today are refered to as Palestinians. They left their homes and had every right to come back. They all have deeds to properties in Israel, how can you deny that? |
Yes, they did leave their homes...but they did so at the request of thier leaders who said they would send their armies in, massacre all jews and then they would come back....only that plan backfired when the Israelis won the war...OOOPPPSS!!!!!
Israel was attacked and forced to deffend itself...the land was aquired in a defenssive war...Israel was never the agressor.
what about all the Jews who were forced out of their homes in all the Arabs countries??? what about them...did they get their property back?? I don't see you so concerned about them...there is your double standard again!
Most of the "sephardi" Israelis are the great grandchildren of these Jews who were kicked out of their homes, had their belongings confiscated and went to the only place they could Israel. And even there, they were persecuted...and when they finaly managed to kick ass.....all of a sudden the side who started it all (the arabs) cry..."please santa, can you end the 'occupation'?":stongue: |
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| zig |
| Escobar...ive just read the last few pages and to be honest.....you really are deluded or in total denial about the situation....i dont know what age you are but your arguements are like a 15 or 16 year old....i really wouldnt know where to start rebuffing half the stuff you seem to believe....there is so much of it,it would require another several pages.............and do you know the really worrying thing......i just read your profile......you have your occupation as a UN Middle East junior media analyst.......to be honest i would hate to be getting reports back from yourself,of any type of analysis of the situation in the middle east.....because your talking total bollocks so far........:tongue2 |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Escobar
Yes, they did leave their homes...but they did so at the request of thier leaders who said they would send their armies in, massacre all jews and then they would come back....only that plan backfired when the Israelis won the war...OOOPPPSS!!!!!
Israel was attacked and forced to deffend itself...the land was aquired in a defenssive war...Israel was never the agressor.
what about all the Jews who were forced out of their homes in all the Arabs countries??? what about them...did they get their property back?? I don't see you so concerned about them...there is your double standard again!
Most of the "sephardi" Israelis are the great grandchildren of these Jews who were kicked out of their homes, had their belongings confiscated and went to the only place they could Israel. And even there, they were persecuted...and when they finaly managed to kick ass.....all of a sudden the side who started it all (the arabs) cry..."please santa, can you end the 'occupation'?":stongue: |
Do you actually know anything about the history of Israel? Even Begin himself has admitted to attrocities the jewish forces committed as neccessary. Please go and do a little research before you post next cos nobody is buying it (I doubt even the Israelis here buy most of what you say) |
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| Escobar |
| quote: | Originally posted by zig
Escobar...ive just read the last few pages and to be honest.....you really are deluded or in total denial about the situation....i dont know what age you are but your arguements are like a 15 or 16 year old....i really wouldnt know where to start rebuffing half the stuff you seem to believe....there is so much of it,it would require another several pages.............and do you know the really worrying thing......i just read your profile......you have your occupation as a UN Middle East junior media analyst.......to be honest i would hate to be getting reports back from yourself,of any type of analysis of the situation in the middle east.....because your talking total bollocks so far........:tongue2 |
Firstly let me just point out that I don't really give a about what you think of me...
Now, you can go as far back as around page 40 of this thread and you will see that I made many factual arguments, and addressed the issue in a serious and respectable manner. However, after many replies to where people simply wrote stupidity and jokes...I changed my way of argueing in this forum....
People here are so fanatically left wing that anything coming from a right-wing perspective is brushed as "fundamentalism" or "radicalism" or incitment...It is like I mentioned before, people don't want to have normal discussions, all they want o do in this forum is ISRAEL BASHING.....
There is no sens in trying to have an inteligent discussion...I gave up....
So you Israel Bash, and I Palestine Bash...that is what this forum has become...
I must say though that I don't blame the people using it...the real problem is the fact that the moderators had a "geneous" idea to merge like 5 threads all into this one...
There were a couple of other threads that had decent intellectual material....but now...well...:toothless |
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| Escobar |
You guys want to have REAL intellectual discussion with people who will respect your view points then go here www.israelforum.co.il
There you can present your arguments to Israelis and Jews, get their perspective...stop being so narrow minded... |
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| zig |
| quote: | Originally posted by Escobar
Firstly let me just point out that I don't really give a about what you think of me...
Now, you can go as far back as around page 40 of this thread and you will see that I made many factual arguments, and addressed the issue in a serious and respectable manner. However, after many replies to where people simply wrote stupidity and jokes...I changed my way of argueing in this forum....
People here are so fanatically left wing that anything coming from a right-wing perspective is brushed as "fundamentalism" or "radicalism" or incitment...It is like I mentioned before, people don't want to have normal discussions, all they want o do in this forum is ISRAEL BASHING.....
There is no sens in trying to have an inteligent discussion...I gave up....
So you Israel Bash, and I Palestine Bash...that is what this forum has become...
I must say though that I don't blame the people using it...the real problem is the fact that the moderators had a "geneous" idea to merge like 5 threads all into this one...
There were a couple of other threads that had decent intellectual material....but now...well...:toothless |
Well then dont post *intellectual* stuff like this if you want to have a serious discussion............
| quote: | | When one resorts to killing inocent civilians to achieve a goal, he has lost all credibility in my book. |
^and Israel doesnt
| quote: | | After all the rockets yesterday and no retaliation, I think it is fair to say that Isral is more then ready and willing to give peace a try...(again). You cannot say the same about the Palestinians. |
^as has been pointed out,the Israelis got their *retaliation* in first
| quote: | | NO, Israel does Protect its citizens....without those settlements, thre would be no buffer zone with the Palestinians...there would be far more terrorist attacks. |
^Buffer zones...new one on me!!
| quote: | | I don't think there is any occupation....that is why I dont defend it...there never was a country or a people called Palestinians...it is a fabrication. |
^:stongue:
| quote: | | What is there to support??? I am not Jewish....that issue is a Jewish one....to me, it does not make a difference, they can do whatever they like. Who are we to dictate what they do? |
^Really?
| quote: | | Yes it is a buffer zone and yes they have the right to live there. |
^or illegal settlements......
| quote: | | You ing left wing tree huggers are going to be the cause terror spreads so rapidaly....you keep find ing ways to defend it! |
^yep the tree hugging arguement is allways a good one.....:D
| quote: | | What are you trying to say?? that there were no warning shots, that the soldiers were just saw 3 innocent dudes playing soccer and said "huumm, I think I will kill the one"???? |
^ill believe you on the warning shots thousands wouldnt...and then to go on and say they allways fire warning shots ALLWAYS..come on...or ill dig up evidence..and im sure there is plenty..
I could go on and on....and thats only from a couple of pages back...as i said if you want an intellectual discussion raise valid points,not ones that have so many obvious inconsistancies that they are not worth debating............... |
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| Escobar |
| quote: | Originally posted by zig
I could go on and on....and thats only from a couple of pages back...as i said if you want an intellectual discussion raise valid points,not ones that have so many obvious inconsistancies that they are not worth debating............... |
So now you ar an expert...
The bottom line is that I have given numerous facts in this thread, just go back and look.
There hasn't been one single person who was able to give me factual argument sagainst them...
The points I raised were all valid, the fact that you dont agree is not enough to dicredit them. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Escobar
You guys want to have REAL intellectual discussion with people who will respect your view points then go here www.israelforum.co.il
There you can present your arguments to Israelis and Jews, get their perspective...stop being so narrow minded... |
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Stop Spamming and go back to your little zionist forums. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Escobar
The points I raised were all valid, the fact that you dont agree is not enough to dicredit them. |
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: VALID????according to who exactly?you?:haha: |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Escobar
So now you ar an expert...
The bottom line is that I have given numerous facts in this thread, just go back and look.
There hasn't been one single person who was able to give me factual argument sagainst them...
The points I raised were all valid, the fact that you dont agree is not enough to dicredit them. |
Well baring in mind this "thread" is an amalgamation of countless other threads there are many that I have not looked at. So your gonna have to expect a bit of repeating no? But the only facts you seem to enjoy posting is the one that says there are no such people as the Palestinians (which is wrong) |
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