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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 13)
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scorchio
So what youre saying is that the joint chiefs of the IDF just wake up one morning and say
"Hmmmmm, perhaps this is another fine day for violating human rights and destruction of property..."
Bull, but I'm wasting my time, you and cyrus cant be convinced that when IDF performs an attack, it is in order to kill a specific target, but like I said before, everyone is human, and humans make mistakes, but its not like Sharon and Mofaz are deciding:
"OK, 90 more innocent Palestinians will die tommorow, just for the kick of it..."
However terror organizations such as Hamas and Jihad are intentionally ruining young boys and brainwashing them to commit suicide for struggle, and intentionally forcing them to kill innocent people who are unarmed and unaware.
Strangely enough, you say "we will resist you" but I bet youre pretty comfortable sitting in your chair infront of your PC in far Canada arent you?
If your people mean so much to you, why wont you come here to Gaza and fight this so called "occupation" as you so eagerly describe?
BTW, have you heard about the terror bombing that was planned to spread infected blood with aids amongst innocent civilians?
Well isnt that just a perfect example for the fight for freedom... |
you have no ing clue who I am and come in here exhausting your fumes of poisonous zionist hatred toward anyone who would criticize the horrid nature of your military. I hate the actions of the Americans and their brutal tactics, does that mean im racist towards Americans???? My COUSINS are AMERICAN!!!
When all else fails, label the person anti-semetic, or racist or hateful of Israeli's
Ive had arguments with mnay people who advocated the death of Israeli's becuase it was "fair", if you only knew how much i was trying to defend thier lives you would stop atacking me with your ad-hominem remarks.
And with respect to the terror bombing that would "spread aids" to people, if you knew any better, blood has to be kept at a specific heat level to enable HIV/AIDS to live, the explossion itself would burn kill the virus.
And why is it that you have to mention that :
"If your people mean so much to you, why wont you come here to Gaza and fight this so called "occupation" as you so eagerly describe"
This is a political forum, and im here to debate. Its too bad that you cant aknowledge the fact that your army is disgustingly violent.
I think the people in power, eztreme right-wing zionists,( AKA the LIKKUD) are trying to make the lives of palestinians as hard as pssible so that a Slow voluntary tranfer can occur. Too bad... the palestinians are ing like jack rabbits and their population will supercede yours this century... ISrael will lose its jewish character, its inevitable... you cant just create a country in the middle east and expect it to naturally grow in its specified character.
Your government is getting desperate..first its occupation, then its the wall, settlements etc.. these are all to populate and segregate your land with Jews, in the end you are creating more violence and hate |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Actually, I don't think it is. I don't think you can even equate the two behaviors. One is the primal, brutalistic urge to dance around the fire, howling at the moon, and acting out in mindless violence, while the other is a strategy developed using cutting edge technologies in a calculated, exact manner. Some instincts may be similar, however the behaviors are quite different. That's just my opinion, though. |
I guess the perfect execution of flying planes into buildings on september 11th and killing thousands was done by civilized minded people, they werent "brutalistic":rolleyes: |
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| Yoepus |
here help yourselves. |
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| Cyrus King |
Israeli troops kill Palestinian farmer in Gaza
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GAZA, May 28 (Xinhuanet) -- Israeli troops on the outskirts of Gush Katif settlement near the central Gaza Strip town of Dir El Ballah shot dead on Friday a Palestinian farmer and wounded another woman,Palestinian medics said.
The medics at Deir el Ballah Hospital said the soldiers shot dead Tayesser Abu Haddaf, a 34-year-old farmer, as he worked at his farm near the settlement.
Another Palestinian woman was injured and admitted into the hospital after she had been shot in the same incident, the medics said, adding that the soldiers opened fire indiscriminately at the area.
Meanwhile, the medics said three other Palestinians were shot and wounded by Israeli troops at the settlement of Nitzarim, south of Gaza City.
They said an Israeli army tank opened heavy gunfire at the area,wounding the three residents and destroying several houses.
In the devastated neighborhood of Tal al Sultan in Rafah town in southern Gaza, Israeli soldiers opened heavy fire at the houses, causing more damage. Enditem
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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2...ent_1496494.htm |
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| Palestinian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scorchio
So what youre saying is that the joint chiefs of the IDF just wake up one morning and say
"Hmmmmm, perhaps this is another fine day for violating human rights and destruction of property..." |
Well we don't know if they get up and say "let's violate human rights" so blatantly but they DO say "those palestinians there don't have permits to have their homes in that particular location" or "a settlement will be built there, so those farms and homes will have to be removed" or "a bypass road and a checkpoint will be built there" and they also say "a palestinian state will not happen in Gaza and the West Bank" or "if there is a palestinian state, they will not get any part of Jerusalem" or "we will isolate the Palestinians in little pieces of Judea and Samaria (west bank) so that they can live their lives, but complete soveiregnty? Never". These remarks are popular and have been made repeatedly by many Israelis including Sharon and especially Netanyahu who will never accept a Palestinian state.
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Bull, but I'm wasting my time, you and cyrus cant be convinced that when IDF performs an attack, it is in order to kill a specific target, but like I said before, everyone is human, and humans make mistakes, but its not like Sharon and Mofaz are deciding:
"OK, 90 more innocent Palestinians will die tommorow, just for the kick of it..."
However terror organizations such as Hamas and Jihad are intentionally ruining young boys and brainwashing them to commit suicide for struggle, and intentionally forcing them to kill innocent people who are unarmed and unaware. |
Just as much as we're wasting our time with you. If B'tselem and Amnesty International convinced me that the IDF commits atrocities (along with my family that have been through hell, books by middle east scholars, and various documentaries) why would I believe you? Besides, there isn't an army in this world that would occupy their enemy and not harm them. And when I tell you about human rights violations I don't just mean when the IDF perform an attack, I mean occupation policy, land confiscation, women forced to give birth at checkpoints, collective punishment, home demolitions, settlements, roadblocks, and bypass roads, farm and orchard plowing and tree uprooting and water confiscation. This is all terrorism. There is almost nothing left for Palestinian land. You destroyed the two-state solution by your practices of land confiscation and destruction.
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Strangely enough, you say "we will resist you" but I bet youre pretty comfortable sitting in your chair infront of your PC in far Canada arent you?
If your people mean so much to you, why wont you come here to Gaza and fight this so called "occupation" as you so eagerly describe?
BTW, have you heard about the terror bombing that was planned to spread infected blood with aids amongst innocent civilians?
Well isnt that just a perfect example for the fight for freedom... |
so called "occupation"?? Shall I tell you about the so called "holocaust"? how does that feel? do you enjoy being told that it didn't happen to you? Why do you do the same unto others what you don't want done unto you?
What does me being in Canada have anything to do with it? This is political debate. Don't come in here and tell people what they should be doing, that's not how you debate. I am fighting for freedom right here. You don't need to be in Palestine to fight for your land. I'm fortunate enough to afford an education here. I'm also part of several Palestinian human rights organizations. There are many ways to fight the occupation. The stone, the gun, the bomb, the voice, and also the pen and the book. I've given lectures in university halls on the topic. And this is just the beginning. |
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| Cyrus King |
Scorchio just got owned...
Now thats WELL SAID palestinian.;) |
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| Scorchio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
And with respect to the terror bombing that would "spread aids" to people, if you knew any better, blood has to be kept at a specific heat level to enable HIV/AIDS to live, the explossion itself would burn kill the virus.
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Oh, real bright, thats very much like saying, "eh lets shoot the basterd, I wont aim at him but I'll shoot towards him"
The very idea is sickening...
| quote: | you have no ing clue who I am and come in here exhausting your fumes of poisonous zionist hatred toward anyone who would criticize the horrid nature of your military. I hate the actions of the Americans and their brutal tactics, does that mean im racist towards Americans???? My COUSINS are AMERICAN!!!
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You are a racist towards Israeli people, and thats well shown in your debates, becuase you refer to them as "Zio's" which comes out offensive in the relation you are writing, but you do not refer the the Palestinians by names.
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so called "occupation"?? Shall I tell you about the so called "holocaust"? how does that feel? do you enjoy being told that it didn't happen to you? Why do you do the same unto others what you don't want done unto you? |
Oh give me a ing break, you cant possibly compare the two.
The holocaust was the uniting of entire Europe against Jews and were brutaly abused by killing and torturing methods that even animals dont adapt, are you really trying to tell me that you think whats going on in Gaza is equivelant to the cold blooded murder of 6 million people?!
I feel sorry for you.
| quote: | | There are many ways to fight the occupation. The stone, the gun, the bomb, the voice, and also the pen and the book. I've given lectures in university halls on the topic. And this is just the beginning. |
Great, justify murder actions by bombing inncocents INTENTIONALLY.
| quote: | | Just as much as we're wasting our time with you. If B'tselem and Amnesty International convinced me that the IDF commits atrocities (along with my family that have been through hell, books by middle east scholars, and various documentaries) why would I believe you? |
My family was through living hell too,
My aunt lives in Gilo in Jerusalem and when shots were fired from Beit Jala it destroyed their intire house and they had to sleep outside in tents.
Amnesty has convinced you that IDF has done wrong things, I'm not denying that, but unlike Palestinian resistance that includs bombing innocents, IDF does not do it in purpose.
| quote: | Scorchio just got owned...
Now thats WELL SAID palestinian. |
You see the childish reacts of this person.
How can one debate logically with you.
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| quote: | | Just tell me one thing, when have you ever, EVER, on the net, or on the news, saw an IDF soldier abusing a dead body? |
I'm still waiting for an answer... |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scorchio
Oh, real bright, thats very much like saying, "eh lets shoot the basterd, I wont aim at him but I'll shoot towards him"
The very idea is sickening...
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Obviously its sickening, but once again, you selectively choose intentions of a few palestinians and imply that this is the way they inherently think, that they are savage animals.
What doesnt surprise me is that you dont even question "why do these people hate us so much?...why do they want to murder us? What have we done to them that they would want us to suffer?"
Instead your generic answer that has been fed to you all your life is "they hate jews, the want the destruction of Israel, they are animals" You beleive that it is inherent within these people that terror runs in their blood.
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You are a racist towards Israeli people, and thats well shown in your debates, becuase you refer to them as "Zio's" which comes out offensive in the relation you are writing, but you do not refer the the Palestinians by names. |
How can I be racist towards Israeli's when i dont even think they are a homogenous race?
Again you failed to look at my example of my american cousins because you want to beleive that I am racist. That is your only answer to things when you cant understand that a person has something negative to say about your military and the Zionist ideals that fuel it. Call them racist when you cant argue no longer, label them as animals without even questioning. Thats what zionism has imbedded in your brain... YOU AGAINST THE TERRORIST ZOO
Where do i proclaim my "racism" towards Israeli's.. I fully respect refusenicks, left winged Israelis against the occupation and Jews for human rights, but in the end, you still think that Im "racist" to Israeli's becuase im critizing the pieces of in power. If you equate those people that shoot civilians and kill innocents to the whole populace of Israel, then you need help.
And to let you know... zionism is not a race or people its an ideology!!!!!
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Oh give me a ing break, you cant possibly compare the two.
The holocaust was the uniting of entire Europe against Jews and were brutaly abused by killing and torturing methods that even animals dont adapt, are you really trying to tell me that you think whats going on in Gaza is equivelant to the cold blooded murder of 6 million people?!
I feel sorry for you. |
I feel sorry for you. You are displaying the same attitude people have about denying the holocaust. Its very disrespectful to call the suffering that these people are going thorugh as "so called". You are like a hiolocaust denyier - an occupation denier. You want to think that there is nothing wrong with the treament of the palestinians by denouncing thier living status, their suffering, and if you choose to beleive they are suffering, then you will make some lame excuse implying that they brought this upon themselves. :rolleyes:
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Great, justify murder actions by bombing inncocents INTENTIONALLY. |
I think that the INTENTION of Israel to OCCUPY a people within the west bank and gaza is far more destructive than a measely bomb carried out by a suicide attack. By the way, INNOCENTS are involved.
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My family was through living hell too,
My aunt lives in Gilo in Jerusalem and when shots were fired from Beit Jala it destroyed their intire house and they had to sleep outside in tents. |
Take that situation, apply it to the palestinians and multiply that by 37 years...oh wait, you mentioned tents??? ... make that 56 years
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Amnesty has convinced you that IDF has done wrong things, I'm not denying that, but unlike Palestinian resistance that includs bombing innocents, IDF does not do it in purpose. |
You are in denial. I have seen with my own eyes, read accounts, and heard it from IDF soldiers themselves admmiting to intentionally shooting civilians. Just becuase they are told from a higher order that they cant do it on purpose doesnt mean that it hasnt been done. They have always done it. The very fact that a missile was thrown into a crowd of 3000 palestinian protesters tells me enough about how moral this army is... makes me sick
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You see the childish reacts of this person.
How can one debate logically with you.
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I'm still waiting for an answer... |
Its simple, palestinian made you look stupid. That is how i saw it. He proved everything wrong about your posts and you replied with this pathetic attempt.
You dont know how to argue, all you do is play the sympathy card and label people as racist....typical of zionists. |
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| Palestinian |
| quote: | Oh give me a ing break, you cant possibly compare the two.
The holocaust was the uniting of entire Europe against Jews and were brutaly abused by killing and torturing methods that even animals dont adapt, are you really trying to tell me that you think whats going on in Gaza is equivelant to the cold blooded murder of 6 million people?!
I feel sorry for you. |
I'm not comparing the two. But an injustice is an injustice and suffering is suffering. If I denied Apartheid to South Africans I would be no different than a Holocaust denier, doesn't matter how much worse the Holocaust was. I was born and lived in Gaza, I know how it feels. And yes, you are displaying the same attitude holocaust deniers have. That's what Zionism has done to you.
| quote: | My family was through living hell too,
My aunt lives in Gilo in Jerusalem and when shots were fired from Beit Jala it destroyed their intire house and they had to sleep outside in tents. |
This sounds familiar... Ah yes, it's what thousands of Palestinian go through and have been through for a century. If this is terrorism according to you, then why is it when it happens to thousands of Palestinians it's not terrorism? What? Because there is a militant inside each one of the thousands of homes? Home demolitions is terrorism and intentional and no one should know this better than YOU. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Scorchio
Because first as BadNeil said Israel targets intentional targets but everyone is human and human make mistakes sometimes, and innocent people are dead sometimes. |
But for some reason isreal seems to be making alot of those "mistakes".
| quote: | | But its ing terrorism from the Palestinian side becuase walking with a bomb into a bus with old people, and young children and blowing yourself up infront of unarmed people is not a conventional way of fighting. |
It is a same thing when Isreal blows up houses or shoots rockets into a crowd streets filled with old people and children,and most of of those peopledont have weapons,but then it is ok I guess since Isreal is doing that just to protect itself :rolleyes: .so I dont think what Isreal is doing a is a conventional way of fighting either.To me what Isreal is doing is terrorism. |
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| mixinmusic |
Ever thought about admitting some responsibility for a change?
Can I hear you all admit that both the Palistinian and Israelis have committed attrocities and are both to blame for the conflict?
Where will this end.... unless you look at each other as people you will never have the compassion to care for the other people.
I know living in N. Ireland what conflict is like but really the only way to resolve it is to stop looking at each other as animals, we are all human!
Lets be realisitic. The pinnacle of the problem is the failure of a multi ethnic democracy in both cases! Each people needs their own state, their own identity and their own government and only then will you all be able to live toegether.
I know it is hard for everyone in the conflict but both Jews and Palistinians claim to be religious people... forgive as you would like to be forgiven for that is the only way forward. |
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| nic01445 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mixinmusic
I know living in N. Ireland what conflict is like but really the only way to resolve it is to stop looking at each other as animals, we are all human! |
Humans are animals. |
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