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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 18)
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| tupsox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
Time to tell Sderot's children the truth
GIDEON LEVY
Ha'aretz, 4 July 2004
What will we tell the children of the kindergarten in Sderot who last week lost their friend Afik Zahavi Ohayon, aged three-and-a-half, who was killed by a Qassam rocket? What can one say to children who lose their classmate this way, next to the kindergarten?
Psychologists, the kindergarten teachers and the parents involved will try to ease the trauma by means of the usual psychological methods. But what if one of the children asks why the Arabs opened fire at them, why they killed Afik? Will we tell them the whole truth, or will we revert to declaiming the worn slogans about the bad Arabs who want to throw us into the sea, compelling us to fight a desperate war of survival whose whole aim is to safeguard the children in the kindergarten?
It is precisely in the wake of such a cruel terrorist attack, which sowed fear through an entire town, that the truth must be told to both children and adults. Only the truth can strengthen their spirit, instead of obscuring matters with empty promises of computers and budgets that will now flow to the town - only after two of its residents were killed - and with talk of an "appropriate military response."
The Qassam rockets were fired at Sderot from its neighbor, Beit Hanun. The kindergarten children have to be told that in Beit Hanun there are already dozens of demolished homes, the homes of innocent people, who paid the price of the previous rockets that were fired at their town( ed - The heart bleeds. Perhaps Beit Hanun residents should be concerned that rockets are being used to target innocents from their backyards?). In Beit Hanun there is no work and there is no hope. Anyone who wants to go from Beit Hanun to the only place in the area that is offering work - Israel - encounters a barbed-wire fence. (Ed - I missed the part where it is Israel's responsibility to provide jobs and an economy to Palestinians) The children of Beit Hanun who go with their parents to visit relatives and friends in Khan Yunis or Rafah face a lengthy and exhausting trip through the checkpoints of the Gaza Strip - a trip whose end no one knows and which could be accompanied by humiliating incidents. On the way, the children pass by the handful of settlements. They see how thousands of Gaza Strip residents have to stop and wait while the settlers' bus passes. When the ice cream truck of the settlement children approaches, the soldier who sees all but is not seen will turn on the red light of the netted traffic lights and traffic will come to a halt, sometimes for hours at a stretch. Palestinian children and adults will sit in the blazing sun in their cars, which they are forbidden to leave, and wait for the soldier's order.
( Ed - No mention of the Gaza withdrawal being forced through by those dastardly right-wingers..)
The children of Sderot have to be told that most of their peers on the other side of the fence have never seen a computer and that it's unlikely they will ever see one; that they are compelled to watch soldiers humiliate their parents; and that thousands of children of their age have no home, because the army demolished their homes even though they did nothing wrong, and in some cases even though their parents committed no crime. In Rafah they can see especially harsh scenes. A thousand more people were left homeless by the latest operation alone, people whose meager belongings were crushed and buried by Israeli bulldozers. The children's toys and clothes are also buried under the ruins.
We should explain to the children in Sderot that not far from their homes, more than 2 million Palestinians have been suffering for 37 years under the Israeli occupation, living in a huge prison compound. ( Ed - This is the "yeah, whatever" point of the article; the point where someone says or writes something so ridiculous it is impossible to take anything else the author writes seriously) For the first 20 years of the occupation, most of their neighbors were quiet, submissive subjects. Their parents undoubtedly remember how they swept the streets in Sderot, built the houses there, worked the surrounding fields and washed the dishes in the local cafes and restaurants. They were the menial workers, even in poverty-stricken Sderot. We thought that situation could last for all time.
Another thing the children of Sderot have to be told is that their state killed - albeit not deliberately, and with weapons far more sophisticated than Qassam rockets - about 540 Palestinian children ( ed - 'albeit not deliberately'....this is a very important qualifier, though its significance is lost on Mr. Levy) . And they should be reminded that the Palestinians, too, are responding - to an extensive campaign of assassinations in which Israel has killed most of the leaders of the Palestinian organizations, harming innocent people while doing so, a campaign that reached its inglorious peak with the killing of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin (Ed - yes, such a tragedy that Yassin is dead. Some very nice moral equivalence. See my above comment about missing the significance of who's the target) .
At the same time, their state continues to strengthen the settlements, which are the major obstacle to the attainment of peace with the Palestinians, which alone can put an end to the firing of rockets at Sderot (Ed- I still don't buy the argument that settlements are an obstacle to peace. Why is it acceptable for the Palestinians to demand ethnic purity? Israel is required and has no problem respecting the Arabs in its midst, why are the Palis allowed to be racist? Still waiting for a decent response to this argument). Two days after the killing of the children's friend Afik, the Finance Committee of the Knesset decided to add another NIS 150 million to the budget for protecting the settlements. Their parents, the great majority of whom voted for right-wing parties in the last election - 33 percent for Likud, 15 percent for Shas and 10 percent for the National Union, as opposed to 3 percent for Labor and 2 percent for Meretz - chose the continuation of this path, which can lead only to the firing of more Qassam rockets at Sderot.
This is the right time to tell the children of Sderot the simple truth: Their neighbors in the Gaza Strip live under an occupation regime, which the residents have decided to fight with force, as people all over the world do in similar situations. Is it cruel on their part? Yes. Is it unjust? You have to ask the children in the kindergarten, after they are told the whole truth. (Ed- Sickening moral equivalence. Shame on you, Gideon Levy, for you have no moral compass.) |
Leftist hogwash: violence begets violence, yadda yadda. Why do people cling to this notion that history has proven wrong time and time again?
And I'll also repeat my editorial question above: Why are settlements an obstacle to peace? Why is it legitimate for Palestinians to demand their land to be Judenrein, especially since apparently they also demand that Israel provide them jobs? |
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| taltul |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
Time to tell Sderot's children the truth
GIDEON LEVY
Ha'aretz, 4 July 2004
What will we tell the children of the kindergarten in Sderot who last week lost their friend Afik Zahavi Ohayon, aged three-and-a-half, who was killed by a Qassam rocket? What can one say to children who lose their classmate this way, next to the kindergarten?
Psychologists, the kindergarten teachers and the parents involved will try to ease the trauma by means of the usual psychological methods. But what if one of the children asks why the Arabs opened fire at them, why they killed Afik? Will we tell them the whole truth, or will we revert to declaiming the worn slogans about the bad Arabs who want to throw us into the sea, compelling us to fight a desperate war of survival whose whole aim is to safeguard the children in the kindergarten?
It is precisely in the wake of such a cruel terrorist attack, which sowed fear through an entire town, that the truth must be told to both children and adults. Only the truth can strengthen their spirit, instead of obscuring matters with empty promises of computers and budgets that will now flow to the town - only after two of its residents were killed - and with talk of an "appropriate military response."
The Qassam rockets were fired at Sderot from its neighbor, Beit Hanun. The kindergarten children have to be told that in Beit Hanun there are already dozens of demolished homes, the homes of innocent people, who paid the price of the previous rockets that were fired at their town. In Beit Hanun there is no work and there is no hope. Anyone who wants to go from Beit Hanun to the only place in the area that is offering work - Israel - encounters a barbed-wire fence. The children of Beit Hanun who go with their parents to visit relatives and friends in Khan Yunis or Rafah face a lengthy and exhausting trip through the checkpoints of the Gaza Strip - a trip whose end no one knows and which could be accompanied by humiliating incidents. On the way, the children pass by the handful of settlements. They see how thousands of Gaza Strip residents have to stop and wait while the settlers' bus passes. When the ice cream truck of the settlement children approaches, the soldier who sees all but is not seen will turn on the red light of the netted traffic lights and traffic will come to a halt, sometimes for hours at a stretch. Palestinian children and adults will sit in the blazing sun in their cars, which they are forbidden to leave, and wait for the soldier's order.
The children of Sderot have to be told that most of their peers on the other side of the fence have never seen a computer and that it's unlikely they will ever see one; that they are compelled to watch soldiers humiliate their parents; and that thousands of children of their age have no home, because the army demolished their homes even though they did nothing wrong, and in some cases even though their parents committed no crime. In Rafah they can see especially harsh scenes. A thousand more people were left homeless by the latest operation alone, people whose meager belongings were crushed and buried by Israeli bulldozers. The children's toys and clothes are also buried under the ruins.
We should explain to the children in Sderot that not far from their homes, more than 2 million Palestinians have been suffering for 37 years under the Israeli occupation, living in a huge prison compound. For the first 20 years of the occupation, most of their neighbors were quiet, submissive subjects. Their parents undoubtedly remember how they swept the streets in Sderot, built the houses there, worked the surrounding fields and washed the dishes in the local cafes and restaurants. They were the menial workers, even in poverty-stricken Sderot. We thought that situation could last for all time.
Another thing the children of Sderot have to be told is that their state killed - albeit not deliberately, and with weapons far more sophisticated than Qassam rockets - about 540 Palestinian children. And they should be reminded that the Palestinians, too, are responding - to an extensive campaign of assassinations in which Israel has killed most of the leaders of the Palestinian organizations, harming innocent people while doing so, a campaign that reached its inglorious peak with the killing of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin.
At the same time, their state continues to strengthen the settlements, which are the major obstacle to the attainment of peace with the Palestinians, which alone can put an end to the firing of rockets at Sderot. Two days after the killing of the children's friend Afik, the Finance Committee of the Knesset decided to add another NIS 150 million to the budget for protecting the settlements. Their parents, the great majority of whom voted for right-wing parties in the last election - 33 percent for Likud, 15 percent for Shas and 10 percent for the National Union, as opposed to 3 percent for Labor and 2 percent for Meretz - chose the continuation of this path, which can lead only to the firing of more Qassam rockets at Sderot.
This is the right time to tell the children of Sderot the simple truth: Their neighbors in the Gaza Strip live under an occupation regime, which the residents have decided to fight with force, as people all over the world do in similar situations. Is it cruel on their part? Yes. Is it unjust? You have to ask the children in the kindergarten, after they are told the whole truth. |
its time to tell the truth to yourself!
stop coverin your acts of hidin terrorists in citizen's houses by "the poor children"... we already know what is your "poor children"!... enough to remember the 12 years kid who almost killed himself by detonatin the bomb but in the end he gave up... soldiers asked the boy why did he want to suicide and he said that palestinians who wanted the boy to bomb himself told him he will be able to have sex with 15 virgins when he'll die and will come to "Eden"... "poor palestinian children"...haha... actually they r really poor but this must be spoken by us or other countries and not by yourself who uses them as a cover...
this is also not the first time u r doin this... i remember it was a couple of years ago when world saw the video fragments from Gaza when man and his little child were ostensibly! killed by israeli soldiers, when actually they were Hamas' members who killed them on purpose in order to show how cruel our army is... liars... |
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| DJ-Kreing^^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by TRANCEEEE
why don;t you watch the news and read the daily papers before you post crap like that! you obviously don't know anything .. |
NO, this is you who knows absolutely nothing about the situation in the middle east.
You are stupid and ignorant, your brain is being washed by the Canadian pro Palestinian propaganda which strikes you every day with those daily papers and TV news.
I dare your all pro Palestinian asses to come here to Israel, the country where I grew up and faced the Palestinian threat everyday for all of my life. You know ing nothing about the situation since you're all sitting in your peaceful Canada behind your computer knowing your ass is safe.
I gave up on this forum along time ago, its just too stressful for me to read this bull over and over again.
Let me tell you just one thing, something to think of for all of you muslims, arabs and pro Palestinians:
The Palestinian population contains mostly Muslim Arabs. Hundreds of millions in the world are Muslim arabs, and there are so many countries where the main nationality is Arab. However there is only one Jewish nation is the world, where the Jewish population is only about 5 million.
Think of that... |
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| Cyrus King |
the israeli's responses are very very labelled...thats theonly thing that they can do is label.
You do not give legitimate reasons...all that is done is generalize the palestinian populace. |
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| Cyrus King |
Israeli forces attack medical staff in Rafah
Report, PMRS, 12 August 2004
A PRCS ambulance, parked in front of Rafah EMS station, was subjected to direct Israeli gunfire, during the March invasion of Rafah. More than nine bullets penetrated the ambulance causing damage to the vehicle (Photo: PCRS)
The Palestinian Medical Relief Society condemns Tuesday’s attack against PMRS ambulance staff whilst they distributed first aid kits to residents of Rafah. Thanks to the generous support provided by the German Foreign Office and in cooperation with Medico International, in response to an emergency appeal released by PMRS following the Israeli demolition of 200 homes in Rafah in May 2004, PMRS has begun to distribute first aid kits to the homeless residents of Rafah.
Whilst ambulance staff, including 5 doctors, 2 nurses and the driver, distributed the first aid kits in the Tal al Sultan neighborhood, Israeli forces started firing at the ambulance. According to the staff, firing came from the “Rafih Yam” settlements towers. They at first thought that it was random shooting however; when some bullets were only 50 cm away they realized that this was in fact intentional. All staff were wearing PMRS vests which clearly indicated that they were medical personnel. Fortunately there were no injuries.
Once again the Israeli forces have attempted to prevent medical teams from carrying out their essential humanitarian work. This time, not content with causing the complete devastation that now exists in Rafah, the soldiers have also tried to stop the provision of aid to the area.
PMRS asks all humanitarian, human rights and health organizations to protest these recent actions and pressurize the Israeli occupation forces to allow the free movement of medical teams. |
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| tupsox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Israeli forces attack medical staff in Rafah
Report, PMRS, 12 August 2004
A PRCS ambulance, parked in front of Rafah EMS station, was subjected to direct Israeli gunfire, during the March invasion of Rafah. More than nine bullets penetrated the ambulance causing damage to the vehicle (Photo: PCRS)
The Palestinian Medical Relief Society condemns Tuesday’s attack against PMRS ambulance staff whilst they distributed first aid kits to residents of Rafah. Thanks to the generous support provided by the German Foreign Office and in cooperation with Medico International, in response to an emergency appeal released by PMRS following the Israeli demolition of 200 homes in Rafah in May 2004, PMRS has begun to distribute first aid kits to the homeless residents of Rafah.
Whilst ambulance staff, including 5 doctors, 2 nurses and the driver, distributed the first aid kits in the Tal al Sultan neighborhood, Israeli forces started firing at the ambulance. According to the staff, firing came from the “Rafih Yam” settlements towers. They at first thought that it was random shooting however; when some bullets were only 50 cm away they realized that this was in fact intentional. All staff were wearing PMRS vests which clearly indicated that they were medical personnel. Fortunately there were no injuries.
Once again the Israeli forces have attempted to prevent medical teams from carrying out their essential humanitarian work. This time, not content with causing the complete devastation that now exists in Rafah, the soldiers have also tried to stop the provision of aid to the area.
PMRS asks all humanitarian, human rights and health organizations to protest these recent actions and pressurize the Israeli occupation forces to allow the free movement of medical teams. |
Right Cyrus, cause the Palestinians never use ambulances to smuggle weapons, explosives, and terrorists. :rolleyes:
Whenever you think the terrorists have hit bottom, they find a way to keep on digging.
Watch a video here: http://inhonor.net/videos/uped/fl_video.php?f_num=69500
Linky: scroll down and see that the terrorists used ambulances, children in the operation
The end result of using ambulances like this (they've also been used to smuggle explosives for suicide bombings) is that the IDF must treat every ambulance with suspicion. Which brings us back to a central theme: the Pali terrorists seem to hate the Jews more than they love their own families. Until this changes, there will be no peace! |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by tupsox
Right Cyrus, cause the Palestinians never use ambulances to smuggle weapons, explosives, and terrorists. :rolleyes:
Whenever you think the terrorists have hit bottom, they find a way to keep on digging.
Watch a video here: http://inhonor.net/videos/uped/fl_video.php?f_num=69500
Linky: scroll down and see that the terrorists used ambulances, children in the operation
The end result of using ambulances like this (they've also been used to smuggle explosives for suicide bombings) is that the IDF must treat every ambulance with suspicion. Which brings us back to a central theme: the Pali terrorists seem to hate the Jews more than they love their own families. Until this changes, there will be no peace! |
i guess you should shoot down evrey freaking palestinian's windshield then, thatll do it:rolleyes: |
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| tupsox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
i guess you should shoot down evrey freaking palestinian's windshield then, thatll do it:rolleyes: |
If a vehicle doesn't respect checkpoint/security regulations, I'm not sure what choice the IDF has (shooting out tires perhaps, but each situation is different. Regardless, the vehicle has to be stopped).
Bottom line: if the Pali terrorists didn't use ambulances, the IDF wouldn't have to treat them with suspicion!
You seem to be missing the importance of cause/effect here. Its not like Israeli soldiers have historically had to treat every Palestinian car this way; only as a result of terrorism. The terrorism stops, this will stop.
Bombshell, I'm sure this will shock you: Its not as though Israelis treat Palestinians like this for fun! |
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| quote: | Originally posted by tupsox
If a vehicle doesn't respect checkpoint/security regulations, I'm not sure what choice the IDF has (shooting out tires perhaps, but each situation is different. Regardless, the vehicle has to be stopped).
Bottom line: if the Pali terrorists didn't use ambulances, the IDF wouldn't have to treat them with suspicion!
You seem to be missing the importance of cause/effect here. Its not like Israeli soldiers have historically had to treat every Palestinian car this way; only as a result of terrorism. The terrorism stops, this will stop.
Bombshell, I'm sure this will shock you: Its not as though Israelis treat Palestinians like this for fun! |
How about this for a cause/effect importance: if the Palestinian Territories were not under an occupation regime for almost 40 years, there wouldn't be people blowing themselves up. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
How about this for a cause/effect importance: if the Palestinian Territories were not under an occupation regime for almost 40 years, there wouldn't be people blowing themselves up. |
Were going in circles with these Zionists... they think that palestinians blow themselves up for fun |
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Were going in circles with these Zionists... they think that palestinians blow themselves up for fun |
no, i watched\read several interviews with palestinians that were captured on their way to blow themselves up in israel, and their main motives are *surprise surprise* religion/heaven/etc (not fight for freedom/against occupation). those people are deeply brainwashed and believe in stuff like : "look, its a fact that the body of a Shahid remains fresh in the grave because angels protect it" , "jews deserve it because they have breached the words of the prophets", "its a fact that a Shahid meets 72 virgins in heaven" etc.
suicide bombings are not a direct outcome of the occupation, but mostly a result of palestinian mentality and the influence of the fundamentalistic Islam on the society starting with "education" from early age. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Flotser
but mostly a result of palestinian mentality and the influence of the fundamentalistic Islam on the society starting with "education" from early age. |
yup you got it thats exactly why!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
none of it has anything to do with Isreal,since Isreal is all about peace right? |
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