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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 121)
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| articnorth |
well i would say that the acknowledgement and remembering the holocaust for the jews and the israelis is important.
if were not so, u would not be able to see the US economy rising in the 90s.
i heard a jew from lonely palnet, justine sharpiro.... she said" we shall never forget , we shall never forget".
if they did not remember, do u think they could survive the wars after independence from the british mandate?
think of it like an aniversary, with your wife or to remember your mother or father. if u dont remember, it is a shame or u become a john doe. |
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| ogvh5150 |
For gmoney:
A man of courage never wants weapons.
Author Unknown |
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| gmoney |
| For articnorth: What does the U.S economy rising in the 90's have to do with anything? |
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| shaolin_Z |
| gmoney, I can understand to and extent what you're trying to communicate but the holocaust was a big deal and the victims should be remembered. I agree that using it as a justification or whatever for something is wrong but downplaying the significance of such an event is distasteful IMO. |
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| tamk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Big deal eh?
Realize that the Jews faced the worst persecution ever known to have happened on the face of this earth (along with some other ethnicities). |
can i ask how this was worse than ethnic cleansing faced by the native people of NAmerica or in the Balkans. Is it just the numbers that are important.
giving natives blankets infected with small pox, entire towns being murdered (to the extent that unborn children are ripped out and killed), in my opinion are no less worse than what happened in ww2.
why is the holocast such a sacred cow, why can't it compared with the wrongs our human society has inflicted on each other. why should the suffering of the jews be more important than the millions of others who have suffered.
the feeling of loss is one and the same the family who mourns for a child shot in the west bank feels the same sorrow as the family who mourns a victim of the nazis. one should not assume importance over the other. |
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| gmoney |
| Tamk, you just said what I wanted to say in a much more eloquent way. Good job. |
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| gmoney |
| And for Shaolin z, I am not "downplaying" the significace of the holocaust. I agree that is was a horrible event the history of mankind. All I am saying is that similar things happened to other people but these people have realized that complaning and trying to make others feel sorry for you is not a productive use of time. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| @ gmoney: Okay, that's perfectly understandable and reasonable. I totally agree with you there. I guess I just misunderstood what you were trying to say at frist. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by gmoney
Fine, I will answer your question. I have alot of jewish "friends" and coworkers. They spend alot of time boasting about how the jews are better than everyone else. Then if you try to argue with them, they scream anti-semitism. It's like when The Passion of the Christ" came out. Anti-semitism. Funny how the First Amendment applies to the jews when they want it to, but when they don't like it they make a big fuss.
Piss off. You can't have it both ways. |
I can see where you get your views from but surely you cant judge an entire race on the attitudes of a few colleagues?! Your colleagues are obviously racist c.unts but you have to understand negative views towards a race (ie racism) often come from having negative experiences with members of said race.
Besides, that wasn't the point I was refering to. You implied the reason Jews have been persecuted throughout history is because they need to change their behaviour (and now it appears you had based this on experiences with your colleagues which I dont think can explain Jewish persecution in Europe thoughout the centuries!!) I dont think Jews are persecuted anywhere in the world today as they were in the past. They put up with racism just like every other minority group but I would not describe that as persecution.
As for Jews "bitching" about the Holocaust well every year I buy a poppy in November and we have military marches and everything to commemerate World War One and that was 90 years ago! We learn about the Holocaust in school as it was the worst case of genoside ever. When something bad happens to your people you remember it. But now you are confusing Jew and Israeli. This thread is about Israel, not Jews in general.
I dont think Israel justifies what they are doing in the Occupied Territories because of the Holocaust - they dont need to do they? The Holocaust is definately mentioned a lot by Israel but usually in response to criticism of Israel (which they see, usually incorrectly, as anti-semitism) |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by tamk
can i ask how this was worse than ethnic cleansing faced by the native people of NAmerica or in the Balkans. Is it just the numbers that are important.
giving natives blankets infected with small pox, entire towns being murdered (to the extent that unborn children are ripped out and killed), in my opinion are no less worse than what happened in ww2.
why is the holocast such a sacred cow, why can't it compared with the wrongs our human society has inflicted on each other. why should the suffering of the jews be more important than the millions of others who have suffered.
the feeling of loss is one and the same the family who mourns for a child shot in the west bank feels the same sorrow as the family who mourns a victim of the nazis. one should not assume importance over the other. |
Who said the suffering of the Jews was more important than others? |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
I can see where you get your views from but surely you cant judge an entire race on the attitudes of a few colleagues?! |
No no, yes you can. My Jewish “friends” (hehe they think they’re my friends!! ing losers!) are all arrogant pricks and then when you call them out it they all claim anti-Semitism! I think that I can infer that this is inherent behavior to the entire race! Haha anti-Semitism … nope none of that around here! Only stereotyping and generalizations apparently … |
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| shaolin_Z |
| Occ, you anti-semite! :p |
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