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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 30)
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dunya
That is not true the conception zionism is based on discrimination
and racism. A supporter of this kind of ideology is self-evident a racist. And every racist is brainwashed. Do you wanna say that the nazis aren't brainwashed cuz I disagree with them? That's nonsense.:o |
Zionism is no more racist or discriminate than the pan-Arabism movement, the black rights (NAACP), women rights movements, or any other minority issue movement for that matter.
Saying otherwise just proves your brainwashed:p |
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| Dunya |
| quote: | Originally posted by Izzy
Zionism is no more racist or discriminate than the pan-Arabism movement
proof? A typical zionist without any argument again:rolleyes:
, the black rights (NAACP), women rights movements, or any other minority issue movement for that matter.
Saying otherwise just proves your brainwashed:p |
HA HA HA anyway was that supposed to be funny?:clown: |
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| Palestinian |
| Zionism isn't racist because it seeks a homeland for the Jewish people, but for seeking a homeland for the Jewish people which is already inhabited by the Palestinian Arabs. And if you tell me that it wasn't inhabited, then you prove my point. It's also racist because it doesn't accept anything but a Jewish majority in the Jewish state, so it will resort to discriminatory practices and occupation to ensure an Arab majority never happens, otherwise it would have annexed the occupied territories and gave Palestinians there Israeli citizenship, but that would create an Arab majority and Zioinism won't allow that, so better resort to occupation and suffering instead. |
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| ogvh5150 |
| quote: | Originally posted by BadBadNeil
You can't always call someone who's opinion disagrees with yours as being brainwashed. It is the argument of a person who has no argument. |
Actually I was refering to the brainwash that tv preachers do to so called "christians" to involve them in zionism.
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
Zionism was written up by a guy named Theodor Herzl back in the late 1890's. Just after that time the German Workers' Party (later to become National Socialist German Workers' Party a.k.a. Nazi's) was just starting out with Hilter learning the ropes from within the Thule-Gesellschaft (Thule Society) and Helena Blavatsky.
Hitler and Herzl both lived in Vienna at some point in their lives. Herzl died there in 1904. Hitler moved in 1907. |
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| Reverend_Trance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
Zionism isn't racist because it seeks a homeland for the Jewish people, but for seeking a homeland for the Jewish people which is already inhabited by the Palestinian Arabs. And if you tell me that it wasn't inhabited, then you prove my point. It's also racist because it doesn't accept anything but a Jewish majority in the Jewish state, so it will resort to discriminatory practices and occupation to ensure an Arab majority never happens, otherwise it would have annexed the occupied territories and gave Palestinians there Israeli citizenship, but that would create an Arab majority and Zioinism won't allow that, so better resort to occupation and suffering instead. |
According to my findings, there are 8 seats in the Knesset held by Arab parties. They work in the existing framework. About 15% of the Isreli population is Arab. If they are not citizens, how can they be represented? There is Isreali citizenship for Arabs living in Isreal. The autonmous Palestinian regions have their own body and representation outside of Isreal. What about the Jewish minority living in free Palrestine? Are not they oppressed since they are a minority in that region?
The logic can be applied both ways. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Reverend_Trance
According to my findings, there are 8 seats in the Knesset held by Arab parties. They work in the existing framework. About 15% of the Isreli population is Arab. If they are not citizens, how can they be represented? There is Isreali citizenship for Arabs living in Isreal. The autonmous Palestinian regions have their own body and representation outside of Isreal. What about the Jewish minority living in free Palrestine? Are not they oppressed since they are a minority in that region?
The logic can be applied both ways. |
HAHAHHHAH... settlers live in oppression???? hmm... i guess they do.;.. seeing that they have special "jewish only" roads built for them, their own personal security outposts, green grass for their children to play on.. or how bout a pool! And we cant forget about the water that they take from the palestinians and the cars they drive to go in and out of israel with such ease throuigh non existant checkpoints. As they BBQ the summernights away on land stolen from their arab neighbors, the palestians skip meals.
get real |
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| Sevas Stra |
| very weak logic. Rev' Trance completely has you there. |
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| Palestinian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Reverend_Trance
According to my findings, there are 8 seats in the Knesset held by Arab parties. They work in the existing framework. About 15% of the Isreli population is Arab. If they are not citizens, how can they be represented? There is Isreali citizenship for Arabs living in Isreal. The autonmous Palestinian regions have their own body and representation outside of Isreal. What about the Jewish minority living in free Palrestine? Are not they oppressed since they are a minority in that region?
The logic can be applied both ways. |
I was talking about the Palestinians living in the occupied territories. The reason for not giving them Israeli citizenship for 40 years now is that Arabs would become the majority and Zionism doesn't accept that. That's one reason why zionism is racism.
The Jewish minority in the occupied territories are settlers/colonists who are illegaly stationed in the territories in contravention to international law and the fourth geneva conventions. The land they reside on was confiscated from Palestinian families and then the families weren't allowed to step foot back on that space. This is a land grab. Now the settlements in the West Bank are planned to be annexed to Israel which serves Israel's expansion on the ancient Jewish homeland. This action was included in Barak's offer in Camp David and was one reason why Arafat rejected the offer. The occupation has been serving the settlements by surrounding them with military protection that guard the settlements and restrict Palestinian freedom of movement. The more land Israel confiscated, the more military protection was required to secure that land, and the more military protection required, the more Palestinians in the area were forced to leave their homes, and this is what the occupation has been about. To sum it all up, Israel desires the annexation of the occupied land but without the people, because if the people remained, they would have to be given citizenship and then Arabs would become the majority in Israel. If you wish to argue otherwise, then simply ask yourself, Why the settlements?... |
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| Reverend_Trance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
If you wish to argue otherwise, then simply ask yourself, Why the settlements?... |
Why indeed. I personally do not know much on population density/ immigration and control in Isreal. The Isreali government does remove some settlements, while others pop up else where. What it boils down to like you said is physical ownership of the land. Is it in Isreal or autonomous Palestine? Does the govermnet pull out eminent domain and just take it? Are the settlements squatters or offically sanctioned?
I do see your point. What is the population of Isreal amd Palestine, the people and the nations? A population density map would even be nice. |
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| Reverend_Trance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
HAHAHHHAH... settlers live in oppression???? hmm... i guess they do.;.. seeing that they have special "jewish only" roads built for them, their own personal security outposts, green grass for their children to play on.. or how bout a pool! And we cant forget about the water that they take from the palestinians and the cars they drive to go in and out of israel with such ease throuigh non existant checkpoints. As they BBQ the summernights away on land stolen from their arab neighbors, the palestians skip meals.
get real |
Well look at me. I am actually in my nice warm house with my family living on the plundered land from the Indians, while they live in poverty on Indian reservations with the worst land in the area. We steal water from the Indians by diverting water from the Missouri River. We also took away their land and forced them to relocate when we made the Garrison Dam, flooding thousands of acres that belonged to them. In dry years, you can see the remains of the towns of Sanish and Independence.
I am just like an evil Isreali walking all over the Palestians!
Cyrus King: Post a picture/article and bitch! |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Reverend_Trance
Well look at me. I am actually in my nice warm house with my family living on the plundered land from the Indians, while they live in poverty on Indian reservations with the worst land in the area. We steal water from the Indians by diverting water from the Missouri River. We also took away their land and forced them to relocate when we made the Garrison Dam, flooding thousands of acres that belonged to them. In dry years, you can see the remains of the towns of Sanish and Independence.
I am just like an evil Isreali walking all over the Palestians!
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That's very true. The only difference is that this is happening rightnow and what happened to the Indians was a great historical injustice. Both are wrong. But what the Israeli's are doing to the palestinians can actually be stopped rightnow if they have the decency to stop it. Its really ironic, you'd think of all ppl the jews after having suffered the horrible injustices and attrocities of the holocaust would realize how unjust and wrong this whole situation is. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Reverend_Trance
Well look at me. I am actually in my nice warm house with my family living on the plundered land from the Indians, while they live in poverty on Indian reservations with the worst land in the area. We steal water from the Indians by diverting water from the Missouri River. We also took away their land and forced them to relocate when we made the Garrison Dam, flooding thousands of acres that belonged to them. In dry years, you can see the remains of the towns of Sanish and Independence.
I am just like an evil Isreali walking all over the Palestians!
Cyrus King: Post a picture/article and bitch! |
Oh yes... you are strolling on indian land with your machine guns shooting any natives that come near your neighborhood . You have a personal military guard ready to kill anyone that comes near your settlement. The Natives areound you are skipping meals, are subjected to inhumane checkpoints, under occupation, unemployed, surrounded by a wall, repeatedly bombed by your jets and their homes are bulldozed.
You cannot compare the situation that occured 400 years ago to the CURRRENT situation in the middle east that is effecting people DIRECTLY in the time frame we are discussing. You see.. the people that are being royally fuked actually are alive!! The indians that were fuked 400 years ago are dead.
Those settlers are THIEVES... they are asking for death. I have no sympathy for these wastes of cum |
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