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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 156)
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| stevieboy32808 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ogvh5150
You're welcome. Now if only that mustard guy had anything to say..... |
LOL.
This is exactly how I feel sometimes. Too bad the U.S. is the one who beefed up Israel's army. |
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| NebulousQ |
This guy fails to realize that the "anti-proliferation brigade" is not about kicking people out of the nuclear club, but keeping them out. |
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| ogvh5150 |
| Hence the words "anti-proliferation". |
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| NebulousQ |
| Yes, my point exactly. I mean the cartoonist even put that in the cartoon. Then perhaps that wasn't his point... |
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| ogvh5150 |
| I was wondering by whom did you mean "this guy". |
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| shaolin_Z |
trancaholic, if you recall the thread you started on cutting off aid, please explain to me how this is a good development? And how do the costs justify this policy (which in most likelyhood won't change a thing)?
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New warning of Palestinian crisis
A UN special rapporteur has said the humanitarian situation in the Palestinian territories has worsened seriously because of the aid boycott.
The international freeze in aid followed the victory of the Hamas militant group in January.
John Dugard, who visited the territories recently, likened the boycott to economic sanctions.
The EU, the largest donor to the Palestinian Authority, and the US are demanding that Hamas renounce violence.
Hamas is also being asked to recognise Israel and acknowledge all past agreements signed between Israel and the Palestinians. The militant group still calls for the destruction of Israel.
| quote: | The Palestinian people have been subjected to economic sanctions, the first time that an occupied people have been so treated
John Dugard,
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Israel has also blocked the transfer of more than $50m (£27m) in monthly tax revenues it collects on behalf of the Palestinians.
On Monday, EU officials announced a plan under which Palestinians could begin to receive direct emergency aid by the beginning of July.
Under the plan the EU will give 100m euros ($126m, £69m) but will bypass the Hamas-led Palestinian government.
'Trauma'
Mr Dugard is the UN's human rights rapporteur for the Palestinian territories. Special rapporteurs are appointed by the UN secretary general to investigate particular issues, but are independent of the organisation.
He said the aid boycott was causing ordinary Palestinians to lose faith in the international community.
He described ordinary people in the Palestinian territories as traumatised. Medical services were in short supply, he said, so too was food.
The growing restrictions on movement caused by Israel's security barrier were partly to blame, Mr Dugard said, but the biggest factor was the economic freeze imposed by the international community.
As a result of the aid freeze, Mr Dugard said, the quartet of Middle East negotiators made up of the United States, the European Union, the United Nations and Russia, was losing credibility among Palestinians.
"The quartet has made it virtually impossible for the Palestinian Authority to meet its responsibilities in respect of medical supplies and other services," he said.
"The quartet seems to have changed its policy from that of peace facilitator to policeman."
Mr Dugard said the quartet was in danger of becoming so discredited that it might be better for the UN and the EU to withdraw from it altogether.
"The Palestinian people have been subjected to economic sanctions, the first time that an occupied people have been so treated," Mr Dugard said.
He admitted it was important for Hamas to renounce violence and recognise Israel but, he added, compulsion was unlikely to achieve that goal.
Instead Mr Dugard called for what he described as creative diplomacy.
Since neither Hamas nor Israel was blameless, he said, it was time for the UN and the EU to look for ways to bring both sides to the negotiating table.
Crossing re-opened
In a separate development, the Israeli army has re-opened the border crossing between the Gaza Strip and Egypt, several hours after it was closed because of a security alert.
The crossing at Rafah is Gaza's main gateway to the outside world.
It had opened briefly on Thursday after a two-day closure.
The Hamas-led Palestinian government this week accused Israel of using the closures to inflict even more hardship on the Palestinian people.
European monitors are deployed at the Rafah border terminal under an American-brokered deal, aimed at reviving Gaza's economy following Israel's withdrawal last year. |
Source: BBC |
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| shaolin_Z |
Blatant ethnic-cleansing of sorts:
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Israel extends Palestinian spouse ban
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Sunday 25 June 2006 2:26 PM GMT
The Israeli cabinet has extended a law banning most Palestinians from living in Israel with their spouses.
The law was endorsed by Israel's highest court by the narrowest of margins and has come under harsh criticism from human rights activists.
The Cabinet extended the law for another six months but acknowledged that the situation is complex. Therefore, the extension would be brought before the parliament, and a new law would be drawn up.
The law allows husbands from the West Bank or Gaza to live in Israel if they are over the age of 35 and wives over 25. Others are banned.
Israel enacted it in 2002 at the height of Palestinian-Israeli violence, after a Palestinian who gained Israeli citizenship carried out a bombing.
Last month Israel's Supreme Court rejected an appeal against the law by a vote of 6-5, determining that while it harms human rights, it also protects security, and that took precedence.
Racism alleged
Sunday's Cabinet statement said the court decision criticising the complexity of the law was the reason for the short extension, and added, "comprehensive staff work regarding the preparation of legislation that will determine procedures for granting status in Israel to foreign nationals, mainly the foreign spouses of Israeli citizens."
Critics of the law called it racist, but government officials said it was necessary as a tool in the fight against Palestinian "terrorism".
Since signing an interim peace accord with the Palestinians, Israel has approved 6,000 or the 22,000 family reunification requests it has received, according to the government.
The restrictions are believed to have kept hundreds, and possibly thousands, of West Bank and Gaza Palestinians from moving to Israel. Exact numbers are not known.
The restrictions also cut to a sensitive demographic issue - the fear that the country's Jewish majority could be threatened if too many Palestinians are granted citizenship.
Arab citizens make up about 20% of Israel's population. |
Source: Al-Jazeera |
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| shaolin_Z |
IDFs favourite pastime, killing sandn|ggers. :whip:
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Israel: More Evidence on Beach Killings Implicates IDF
Palestinians Agree to Independent Inquiry
(Gaza, June 15, 2006) – A digitally dated and time-stamped blood test report of a victim treated at a Palestinian hospital that admitted wounded from the June 9 killings on a Gaza beach suggests that the attack took place during the time period of an Israeli artillery attack, Human Rights Watch said today. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have denied responsibility for the killings, saying that although they fired six artillery shells onto the beach between 4:32 p.m. and 4:51 p.m., the fatal incident must have occurred after that.
Human Rights Watch first challenged this conclusion, concluding that the IDF most likely caused the killings, in a press release based on an investigation by its researchers in Gaza.
Human Rights Watch researchers examined the computer-generated record from the Kamal Adwan hospital, which documents the blood test of a victim from the beach incident being taken at 5:12 p.m. on June 9. Furthermore, hand-written hospital records log patients from the incident as having been admitted starting at 5:05 p.m. If the records are accurate, based on the time needed to dispatch an ambulance and drive from the hospital to the beach and back, this suggests that the fatal explosion took place at a time when the IDF said it was firing artillery rounds. Both sets of records also directly call into question the account of the IDF that ambulances did not reach the beach until 5:15 p.m. that day.
Altering the records would require re-setting the computer’s clock and re-writing pages of the hospital’s admissions log. Human Rights Watch researchers said that the pages they saw documented patients un-related to the beach incident, followed by two pages of victims from the beach. The first of those were admitted at 5:05 p.m. The researchers saw no evidence that the times might have been altered.
Israeli military officials have also suggested the explosion, which killed seven members of the Ghalya family and wounded many others, might have been caused by a mine. But Human Rights Watch researchers also examined blood-crusted shrapnel given to them by the father of a 19-year-old male who suffered abdominal wounds in the beach explosion. They determined that the shrapnel is a piece of fuse from an artillery shell.
“The likelihood that the Ghalya family was killed by an explosive other than one of the shells fired by the IDF is remote,” said Marc Garlasco, senior military analyst at Human Rights Watch. “This new evidence highlights the urgent need for Israel to permit an independent, transparent investigation into the beach killings.”
Human Rights Watch received a fax today from the office of Palestinian Authority President, Mahmoud Abbas, saying that the president’s office, which is holding much of the shrapnel removed from the blast victims, would cooperate and share evidence with an independent inquiry team. |
Source: HumanRightsWatch |
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| ogvh5150 |
The silence is deafening coming from the audience on both sides, yes both sides. It seems like we are the only two that keep this thread alive.
But make this "My DJ has a bigger member than your DJ", all hell breaks loose.
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men
Abraham Lincoln 16th US President (1861-65) |
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| Marc Summers |
| s hitting the fan right now |
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| psychosomatica |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ogvh5150
You're welcome. Now if only that mustard guy had anything to say.....
From The Mordechai Vanunu website:
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Pretty much the only reason they can fly warplanes over the Syrian president's head and shrug it off. They're bullying the area, and when the countries decide to unite and snap back, big red buttons that say Launch won't save them. Then they're going to wonder why.
All sides are being stupid s and Israel is leading the pack. who cares.. he's one stupid soldier... they bombed 3 bridges to "stop his transport" like.. theyre looking for excuses to fight. I don't care if anyone calls on humanitarian blah blah blah.. he's not worth it. Not worth it to take out the entire region and ing divide the entire world.
.. i've always kept quiet.. but this situation's just retarded. And bombing beaches? ... |
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| TranceGiant |
| psychosomatica, you obviously have no clue whatsoever what is going on so do us all a favour and remain silent. |
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