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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 108)
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| Cyrus King |
To basically sum this up.. which is no surprise... the zionists klike always break truces.
I think it was mentioned here just recently... but isnt it ironic how the zionists want to pull out of gaza.... yet plan on building 3500 more homes to creat a greater jeruselem in the West bank? DID I MENTION THAT THE WEST BANK IS PALESTINIAN LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!!!!
GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDY GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDY LAND THIEVES
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Israeli troops shoot militant
From correspondents in Jerusalem
April 15, 2005
ISRAELI troops killed a Palestinian militant in a raid in a West Bank refugee camp today, triggering a vow by a leading militant group to retaliate "like an earthquake".
But al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades said it wanted to otherwise stick to a ceasefire and both Israeli and Palestinian officials signalled a determination to press on with peace efforts despite violence over the past week that threatens to derail them.
Israel ordered its army to work out a plan to disarm settlers in enclaves due for evacuation from July, while the Palestinians said they had begun to unify chaotic security services to meet US conditions for talks with Israel.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the two sides had shown good faith and outgoing World Bank President James Wolfensohn was appointed special international envoy on Israel's planned Gaza Strip pullout and tasked to rebuild trust.
"But the obstacles before them remain substantial," Ms Rice said in Washington.
"The responsibility for peace ultimately rests with the two parties and Mr Wolfensohn can only help them achieve what they are willing to achieve together."
Today's killing stoked Israeli-Palestinian tensions.
A slide into conflict could dim hopes voiced by US President George W. Bush after meeting Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon earlier this week of fostering peace talks.
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas condemned the killing as a "serious violation" of the ceasefire he and Mr Sharon declared in February.
Israeli officials said the army reserved the right to pursue "ticking bombs" - militants planning imminent attacks.
It was Israel's first killing of a militant in more than a month and followed Mr Sharon's accusations that Mr Abbas, elected in January to succeed the late Yasser Arafat, was not doing enough to rein in militants as he had promised.
The militant was identified as Ibrahim Isneiri, a member of al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, an offshoot of the Fatah movement led by Abbas, and the killing took place in Balata camp in the West Bank city of Nablus.
Israel said the killing occurred when soldiers tried to arrest a man suspected of plotting suicide attacks on orders from the Lebanese guerrilla group Hizbollah. Palestinians said Israeli undercover troops started shooting without provocation.
"Regarding the criminal Israeli violation, our reaction will be like an earthquake. But we are still committed (to the truce) in accordance with the Palestinian national consensus," said an al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades spokesman.
Hamas, the powerful Islamist militant group, threatened to rethink its commitment to the de facto ceasefire.
The truce deal has eroded over the past week. Israeli troops killed three Palestinian youths in disputed circumstances in Gaza on Saturday and militants retaliated by raining mortar bombs on Jewish settlements.
Mr Sharon has billed his plan to remove all 21 Gaza settlements and four of 120 in the West Bank as a way to begin "disengaging" from conflict with the Palestinians.
The Palestinians want Gaza and the West Bank for a state. Many Palestinians suspect the pullout is a ruse to deprive them of much of the West Bank, where most Jewish settlers live.
Settler leaders and Israeli security chiefs have agreed in principle nobody will carry weapons during the withdrawal - including troops - but the fact so many settlers are armed has raised fears of violent resistance.
Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz told commanders to reach a deal for an orderly handover of settlers' guns, which could be returned once evacuations were completed, defence sources said.
But signs grew that settlers were acknowledging evacuation as a possibility instead of refusing to consider it.
Gaza settlers' council head Avner Shimoni said settlers would still resist but appealed for communities to at least be allowed to stay together if they were evacuated.
"We have decided to stay, but at the same time we are making this call on the government to make sure that if they go through with the decision to exile us we all go together to one place," he said.
Opinion polls show most Israelis favour withdrawing the 8500 settlers from the Gaza Strip, where they live in costly to defend enclaves among 1.3 million Palestinians.
But many settlers see the land captured in the 1967 Middle East war as a biblical birthright. They also say withdrawal would reward Palestinian militants behind a four-and-a-half year uprising.
Ms Rice said Mr Wolfensohn would help to coordinate aspects of the withdrawal, including reviving the Palestinian economy.
"The parties have shown good faith and political courage in recent months," said Ms Rice, announcing Mr Wolfensohn's appointment on behalf of the "Quartet" of Middle East peace mediators - the United States, the EU, Russia and the United Nations.
"The task is daunting," said Edward Walker, a former top US State Department diplomat, citing Gaza's high unemployment.
"The longer-term stability in the Gaza Strip will be very much at risk as people see no improvement in their situation." |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abhay
But no-one can say conventional war is "better" than "terrorism" |
Sure you can.
A serial killer being executed is different from a cancer paitent dying of cancer is different from a kid killed by a car is different from a girlfriend stabbed to death by her boyfriend. Just like dying in a bus crash is different from dying in a bus exploded by fanatic and dying in a bridge that collapses is different then dying in a bridge that has been exploded by a terrorist.
Just because somebody dies, does not mean how they died is not important. Yes they're all dead - but we're alive.
So I can say executing a seiral killer is definetly better than running over a kid. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Sure you can.
A serial killer being executed is different from a cancer paitent dying of cancer is different from a kid killed by a car is different from a girlfriend stabbed to death by her boyfriend. Just like dying in a bus crash is different from dying in a bus exploded by fanatic and dying in a bridge that collapses is different then dying in a bridge that has been exploded by a terrorist.
Just because somebody dies, does not mean how they died is not important. Yes they're all dead - but we're alive.
So I can say executing a seiral killer is definetly better than running over a kid. |
What about if the kid was a chav? |
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| Abhay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Sure you can.
A serial killer being executed is different from a cancer paitent dying of cancer is different from a kid killed by a car is different from a girlfriend stabbed to death by her boyfriend. Just like dying in a bus crash is different from dying in a bus exploded by fanatic and dying in a bridge that collapses is different then dying in a bridge that has been exploded by a terrorist.
Just because somebody dies, does not mean how they died is not important. Yes they're all dead - but we're alive.
So I can say executing a seiral killer is definetly better than running over a kid. |
wonderful story,
now,
how does this relate to the 2 forms of warfare???
Grab a part of each example, adn relate it to what you just quoted :
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| VanFleet |
Yup, the Palestinians are on the moral road to statehood.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world...sp?story=628859
Hamas admits its gunmen shot betrothed woman in 'honour killing'
4/13/05
Hamas has mounted a desperate damage-limitation exercise after one of its units shot dead a 20-year-old Palestinian woman for "immoral behaviour" as she enjoyed a day out with her future husband.
Note that this "desperate damage-limitation exercise" comes now because their victim was a Muslim Arab. They have done the same sort of things to Israelis for years without so much as a whisper of damage limitation. In fact, on their old website they celebrated their murders of civilian non-combatants as victories.
Angry residents of Beit Lahia, close to Gaza City, have demanded - so far in vain - that the Islamic armed faction hands over three of the gunmen still at large to the Palestinian Authority after what the victim's family believes was a tragically unjustified type of "honour killing".
The masked Hamas gunmen shot dead Yusra Azzami as she sat in the front passenger seat of her fiancé's Mitsubishi after they had forced it to stop. They went on to beat up her fiancé, Ziad Zaranda, and his brother, Rami, before escaping in the victims' car. Yusra's terrified sister, Magdalen, who was engaged to Rami, ran away before she too was beaten.
Two senior officials from Hamas, which has admitted that members of the faction killed the woman, were turned away by her grief-stricken family this week when they visited to present their condolences. Both sisters and brothers were to be married this Friday in a joint ceremony.
A Hamas spokesman said the woman was shot because there was a mistaken "suspicion of immoral behaviour" by the couples. But it was not clear yesterday whether inter-factional rivalry had also played a part since Yusra Azzami was a Hamas member at the Islamic university while her fiancé was in Fatah.
Other factions have been quick to condemn the killing, and gunfire was exchanged between Hamas and Fatah at the victim's funeral last Saturday. Hamas also provoked outrage among some residents by claiming her as one of its "martyrs". |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by VanFleet
Yup, the Palestinians are on the moral road to statehood.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world...sp?story=628859
Hamas admits its gunmen shot betrothed woman in 'honour killing'
4/13/05
Hamas has mounted a desperate damage-limitation exercise after one of its units shot dead a 20-year-old Palestinian woman for "immoral behaviour" as she enjoyed a day out with her future husband.
Note that this "desperate damage-limitation exercise" comes now because their victim was a Muslim Arab. They have done the same sort of things to Israelis for years without so much as a whisper of damage limitation. In fact, on their old website they celebrated their murders of civilian non-combatants as victories.
Angry residents of Beit Lahia, close to Gaza City, have demanded - so far in vain - that the Islamic armed faction hands over three of the gunmen still at large to the Palestinian Authority after what the victim's family believes was a tragically unjustified type of "honour killing".
The masked Hamas gunmen shot dead Yusra Azzami as she sat in the front passenger seat of her fiancé's Mitsubishi after they had forced it to stop. They went on to beat up her fiancé, Ziad Zaranda, and his brother, Rami, before escaping in the victims' car. Yusra's terrified sister, Magdalen, who was engaged to Rami, ran away before she too was beaten.
Two senior officials from Hamas, which has admitted that members of the faction killed the woman, were turned away by her grief-stricken family this week when they visited to present their condolences. Both sisters and brothers were to be married this Friday in a joint ceremony.
A Hamas spokesman said the woman was shot because there was a mistaken "suspicion of immoral behaviour" by the couples. But it was not clear yesterday whether inter-factional rivalry had also played a part since Yusra Azzami was a Hamas member at the Islamic university while her fiancé was in Fatah.
Other factions have been quick to condemn the killing, and gunfire was exchanged between Hamas and Fatah at the victim's funeral last Saturday. Hamas also provoked outrage among some residents by claiming her as one of its "martyrs". |
Would this kind of thing not also happen in the most religious country in the world? |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Would this kind of thing not also happen in the most religious country in the world? |
You mean primitive, not religious right?! ;) |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
You mean primitive, not religious right?! ;) |
Well I was refering to America so suppose so! |
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| zig |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
You mean primitive, not religious right?! ;) |
The infrastructure is certainly primative....i wonder why? |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by zig
The infrastructure is certainly primative....i wonder why? |
Might want to look into a certain bank account in France belonging to a Ms. Arafat.;) |
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| zig |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Might want to look into a certain bank account in France belonging to a Ms. Arafat.;) |
You know what im referring too, or does it have to be spelt out more clearly for you to understand, but no, there is not much point in that, because your head is so brainwashed, there is little point in having a conversation at all because of your continued denial of Israels role in the decades long oppression of the Palestinians, and until you accept Israels role in this, there is little point in having a conversation with you, at any meaningful level.Because you, like so many in this thread give standard replies, like you are all reading from the same script. |
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