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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 19)
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
yup you got it thats exactly why!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
none of it has anything to do with Isreal,since Isreal is all about peace right? |
i talk about suicide bombings directed at civilians.
what exactly USA did to afgenistan that is a good excuse for the 9/11?
suicide bombings is not something normal for people who fight for freedom, it is a result of the occupation - but not a direct result. Afgenistan/Taliban wasn't under occupation.
other people would have never chosen this way. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flotser
no, i watched\read several interviews with palestinians that were captured on their way to blow themselves up in israel, and their main motives are *surprise surprise* religion/heaven/etc (not fight for freedom/against occupation). those people are deeply brainwashed and believe in stuff like : "look, its a fact that the body of a Shahid remains fresh in the grave because angels protect it" , "jews deserve it because they have breached the words of the prophets", "its a fact that a Shahid meets 72 virgins in heaven" etc.
suicide bombings are not a direct outcome of the occupation, but mostly a result of palestinian mentality and the influence of the fundamentalistic Islam on the society starting with "education" from early age. |
Doyou think this extreme fundamentalism would be as it is today without the occupation? That it is inevitable the Palestinian populace would become like this even in the best economic positions? |
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| FederalBI |
| why in the hell you think the pals could get to a good economic position. |
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| anuneventrade |
6 pages already? Well, I have no idea when the thread actually started but still! You haven't left much room for me to argue anything, unless I jump in mid/end arguement, which is never any fun. Shame on you boys.
I see there are a few newbies though... How long till Cyrus and Yoepus scare them off? :stongue: |
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Doyou think this extreme fundamentalism would be as it is today without the occupation? That it is inevitable the Palestinian populace would become like this even in the best economic positions? |
Al-Qaida were under occupation? they are as extreme as you can get.
like i said earlier, you are right that the suicide bombings are a restult of the occupation, but not a direct result.
also you talk about economic status? yes if economics were better less people would have joinig the extreme islamic movments.
but hey... when was the best economic status for the palestinians? just between Oslo & the Intifada. :p
also a good contra-exmpale is Chechnia. (my mother is originally from Grozney the capital there so what i say is all truth :p). the economic situation there was realy great! also alot of the chechnian people learned in moscow and had great succuss in Russia etc...
but when they decided they want to fight for indepence...well you know what happened - they all suddenly faught in the name of Allah. |
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| Cyrus King |
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Israeli soldiers kill 9-year-old boy
Child was eating a sandwich in front of house, relatives say
NABLUS, West Bank (AP) — Israeli soldiers today shot and killed a 9-year-old Palestinian boy in Nablus as he sat on the front steps of his home eating a sandwich, relatives said.
The troops were enforcing a curfew when they drove by 9-year-old Khaled Usta's home, the boy's aunt, Ferial Usta said. Youths threw stones at the troops, but the group fled when the soldiers got out of the jeep and pointed their guns at a fence just behind the boys, she said.
Khaled was sitting just behind the fence eating a sandwich when one of the soldiers fired his rifle, the aunt said.
"I saw the soldier fire and the boy fell, and immediately I went downstairs. All the neighbors heard the gunshot and ... ran down also," she said.
A military official said soldiers fired at Palestinians throwing concrete blocks, stones and a firebomb in three separate incidents, but was not aware that anyone was killed. The army said it was operating in Nablus to hunt down militants and find their weapons stashes.
Jarir Kanadilo, a Palestinian ambulance driver, said the boy was shot in the chest.
Huloud Usta, Khaled's sister, said about 10 minutes after her brother was taken to a hospital, the soldiers came over to see why neighbors had gathered outside. She said she told them what happened and it appeared they were arguing among themselves.
In a separate incident in Nablus, soldiers shot and injured two Palestinians who had thrown stones at military jeeps, witnesses and rescue officials said.
In house-to-house searches in Nablus' old city, the army discovered two homemade rockets, as well as a booklet on how to prepare homemade rockets, the army said.
Palestinian militants have fired dozens of the homemade rockets from the Gaza Strip into Israel, but have not yet been able to manufacture and launch them from the West Bank. The Israeli army frequently operates in the West Bank to prevent the production of rockets, which could easily reach major Israeli population centers from the Palestinian territories.
In a Nablus refugee camp, troops today found a weapons cache including two guns, ammunition and equipment used to prepare explosives, the army said. |
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968705899037 |
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| DJ-Kreing^^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Doyou think this extreme fundamentalism would be as it is today without the occupation? That it is inevitable the Palestinian populace would become like this even in the best economic positions? |
How can you explain the Taliban hostility then? This organization which is funded by bin laden himself stands in a very good economic position.
The fact is you cant, that is just how Islamic extremists work in order to get their cause. It has nothing to do with finance, Its just their tight beliefs and the fact that their minds are being washed that’s all… |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ-Kreing^^
How can you explain the Taliban hostility then? This organization which is funded by bin laden himself stands in a very good economic position.
The fact is you cant, that is just how Islamic extremists work in order to get their cause. It has nothing to do with finance, Its just their tight beliefs and the fact that their minds are being washed that’s all… |
So by this logic... you are saying it is Ineveitable that palestinian muslims will utlize terrorism to get their point across? How about the Palestinian muslims in different Arab nations...they are not blowing themselves up or killing other innocent arabs
You cannot compare the Taliban.... a fascist totalitarian regime to that of the palestinian populace in occupied West bank and Gaza...two totally different circumstances, and peoples.
Look at the situation at hand instead of comparing it with other locales |
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| Flotser |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
So by this logic... you are saying it is Ineveitable that palestinian muslims will utlize terrorism to get their point across? |
yes.
| quote: | | How about the Palestinian muslims in different Arab nations...they are not blowing themselves up or killing other innocent arabs |
There are mostly palestinians in Lebanon and Jordan.
In Lebanon many of them became members of Hizbualla - the organizaion that first used suicide bombers.
In Jordan, this king, and his father are fighting against fundemetalism, because they know its a big thret to their power.
in September 1970 (also called the Black September), King Hussein drove Palestinian refugees into Lebanon after killing more than 10,000.
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You cannot compare the Taliban.... a fascist totalitarian regime to that of the palestinian populace in occupied West bank and Gaza...two totally different circumstances, and peoples.
Look at the situation at hand instead of comparing it with other locales
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the comparison is only to show you that its not the occupation that drives people to blow themselves up, but the fundemntalistic islam - which is the same with Hamas , Hizbulla & Al-Qaida. |
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| DJ-Kreing^^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flotser
the comparison is only to show you that its not the occupation that drives people to blow themselves up, but the fundemntalistic islam - which is the same with Hamas , Hizbulla & Al-Qaida. |
:rolleyes:
That’s about it. |
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| hooknife |
| quote: | Originally posted by xKaoSx
If you're that passionate about it why dont you get from behind your computer and go do something about it.
You bitch and bitch and bitch about A LOT of but that's all you do- BITCH. |
Well said. |
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