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The ultimate Israel - Palestine Thread (it's all here) (pg. 50)
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| h@x0r |
^^^ Yeah... probably naive. After all, they don't have neighbours with access to weapons that want to see Canada's destruction. But say if US and Mexico were bent on seing Canada's demise and gave the Injuns guns, explosives and manufacturing equipment to make more explosives - the premise would not seem so naiive and funny.
Though sad, it would seem funny to see one of the Village People with explosives belt screaming "Geronimo" on a crowded bus in downtown TO.
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| h@x0r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dunya
:rolleyes: Darling dream on. |
Interesting fact I read on the news few days ago (no, it was actually non-jewish media): The Netherlands has the highest rate of Antisemitic incidents in all of Europe, surpassing even Russia.
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| Dunya |
| quote: | Originally posted by h@x0r
Interesting fact I read on the news few days ago (no, it was actually non-jewish media): The Netherlands has the highest rate of Antisemitic incidents in all of Europe, surpassing even Russia.
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And the Netherlands has the highest rate of anti-islam incidents.:rolleyes: Oh ofcourse you didn't read that.
Once again, what has 'anti-semitism' to do with zionism.
Americanes aren't neutral and they know nothing about other countries(I didn't talk about cultures yet).:rolleyes: |
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| DJ-Kreing^^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dunya
Once again, what has 'anti-semitism' to do with zionism.
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It has everything to do with it, because the only way the persecution against Jews will stop is by them having their own piece of land.
Why can't you understand it already? |
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| Dunya |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ-Kreing^^
It has everything to do with it, because the only way the persecution against Jews will stop is by them having their own piece of land.
Why can't you understand it already? |
you need to undertsnad this.
http://www.prcdc.org/summaries/pale...tineisrael.html
you said that the birth rate of the zionists are higher than the palestinains. Come with facts plz.
And the zionists want to get more and more zionists in the MO.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3904943.stm
That's what I mean with the French-zionist conflict.
And you don't even know what's the definition of Anti-semitism .:crazy: |
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| Escobar |
You claim that this is a thread that will examine the tactics and results that Israel utilizes against the "enemy" to further their hegemonic agenda.
Well, As far as I can see, your sources for ALL claims come from the media. Not only that but the media sources you use are the most based pro-Palestinian news agencies out there. ( abc news, the guardian, palestinianmonitor….)
In order for anybody to really examine the situation, real facts must be taken into account. We must then begin by sourcing our information where it will have factual events and the context in which they happened.
Let me say before I go on, that I am not jewish. My parents work for the UN and I lived in Israel for 4 years. ( I returned to Canada last week).
You wrote:
“the aggressive and murderous tactics this military has employed to "rid terrorists", or the suffering caused by Israels dispicable actions”
Contrary to what you read in the news and to what you believe; Tactics used by the IDF today comply with most UN regulations. I do agree that this is not always the case, but understand that what is done is done in order to protect the lives of civilians.
You also claim that dozens are killed everyday. THIS IS ABSURD! And it is an outright lie! I was there first hand, and being involved in the UN with my family as peacekeepers, I was aware of everything that happened. I can tell you that you have your facts wrong!
When the IDF does an incursion anywhere, it is because it has a direct need to do so in order to protect the lives of civilians.
Demolitions don’t kill people. So we must weigh the difference in Palestinians losing a home, or Israelis losing a life.
To me that is pretty simple; A LIFE ABOVE ALL. If 20 people must be homeless in order for another human being to survive, so be it!
The articles and pictures you show don’t say anything and don’t prove anything. Again, all needs to be seen in its context.
Did you know that in Palestinian schools children are taught that Jews drink Blood?
Look, the bottom line is, that ever since it’s conception Israel has been fighting to survive.
Military operations are necessary to stop terrorists, collateral damage is a reality of war. But this damage is happening while fighting to preserve peace…..the damage caused by the terrorists is done for the sake of ALLAH and for the hate of jews.
Let me tell you something else, THE ONLY WAY FOR THIS CONFLICT TO END IS FOR THE PALESTINIANS TO START LOVING THEIR CHILDREN MORE THAN THEY HATE THE JEWS!
You haven’t heard the last of me.
I will post next Historical facts about “Palestine” |
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| h@x0r |
^^^ A non-jewish voice of reason???? Nah.... You're just a zionist puppet mate! You do what your masters will tell you! Don't believe what your eyes see! :rolleyes:
Disemboweling a soldier in a square in front of 100000 people hungry for blood is way more humane than shooting a person who presents a threat.
I haven't seen a picture of IDF dragging bodies behind their armored vehichles or Palestinians that have been impaled, decapitated, or publicly executed in the most gruesome way possible.
I also have yet to see a single Israeli homocide bomber blow himself up in the Palestinian territory and take out elderly, women and children.
On the flip side, UN has no problem protesting Israel's actions yet turning a blind eye to the autrocities caused by Palestinians. UN's record on Israel is spotty, at best.
I personally believe that hammas, islamic jihad, fattah and the rest of the organizations in Palestine are not interested in brokering a peace. They also do not care about co-existance with Israel. Their mission is not an independent Palestine - their mission is eradication of Israel, where Palestine would exist. The militant groups are interested in wiping the Jewish state of the face of the planet and sadly, many other nations, including EU are not acknowledging it.
How many people honestly think that establishing a Palestinian state next to Israel would be sufficient to stop the violence?
For all the Pro-Palestinian supporters here: what is really the goal? Palestinian state or eradication of Israel? Now, answer honestly.
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Any country that exists on occupied land has no right to condone Israel's actions. This includes Russia, Canada, Australia, China, Spain, even US. Come to think of it - we are all invaders in one form or another. That doesn't mean we should be killing each other. I don't think that anything positive would happen if the French Canada wanted to separate from the English Canada and used force to reach its mission. Look at Spain or Russia if you need further proof. |
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| zig |
Agree about the puppet(your first line)dosnt sound credible...in answer to your question i think a Palestinian State would be a start and if it was achieved and a peace settlement reached..basicallly it would give terrorism very little leeway to legitimatly carry out attacks on Isreal..and world ophinion would soon focus on the terrorists...
In the current conflict...Isreal is legitimatlty seen in the eyes of the world as an agressor imo..and without a peace settlement will continue to be seen as such...a Palestinian State is really the only way forward at this point..without it the violence will continue indefinatly... |
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| Escobar |
Let me assure you my friend that I am not puppet.
I was there first hand, were you??
I do agree however that the UN has a record of complete support for the Palestinians and is very biased when it comes to Israel.
I don't understand your arguments against me since the were also pro-Israel...YOU MUST BE A ZIONIST PUPPET TOO!!
C'mon get real....
Can't a person have their own opinions without everybody jumping to conclusions and putting labels on them??
What’s wrong with you??? |
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| h@x0r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Escobar
Let me assure you my friend that I am not puppet.
I was there first hand, were you??
I do agree however that the UN has a record of complete support for the Palestinians and is very biased when it comes to Israel.
I don't understand your arguments against me since the were also pro-Israel...YOU MUST BE A ZIONIST PUPPET TOO!!
C'mon get real....
Can't a person have their own opinions without everybody jumping to conclusions and putting labels on them??
What’s wrong with you??? |
Obviously, my sarcasm has totally went over your head, eh? :D I have not a single word against you mate - if it came out sounding that way, my bad - it wasn't intended. I was being overly sarcastic... tha's all, yo.
Iz we kool, dawg? Yea? Aaait, chill witcha later, boyeeeeee!!! :p |
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| Escobar |
MAN!!!
You are right, it went totaly over my head!!!!
MY BAD!!!!
I guess the guy who replied after you also missed it, when I saw both the posts, I just jumped to conclusions..
Of Course we COOL!!!!!
MUCH LUV!!!!!!! |
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| Escobar |
Unilateral withdrawal from Gaza is only the beginning of a much wider and extensive retreat from Yehuda and Shomron (Judea and Samaria), which will result in the establishment of a terrorist-based provisional Palestinian state.
Even with the best intentions, this will strengthen and encourage terrorist groups in the region and throughout the world. It will make it more difficult (if not impossible, once they gain international recognition and support) to stop the smuggling of weapons and troops to Palestinians.
Unilateral withdrawal will create a safe haven for terrorists wherever they are.
Unilateral withdrawal will promote more instability and violence. Egypt has refused to prevent weapons smuggling from its territory and will not fight Palestinian terrorists in Gaza; Jordan can barely maintain security in its own country without taking on Palestinian terrorists. The result will be chaos.
Unilateral withdrawal undermines every compromise solution that might resolve conflicts, and turns power over to the very same people who operate terrorist groups in the area; it offers no incentive for ending the struggle.
But ending the struggle is not the Palestinian agenda, political and economic gains are less important than their hope for ultimate and total victory.
Specific US legislation prohibits US citizens, businesses, or any government agency (including the president) from engaging in activity that directly or indirectly supports terrorist groups (like the Palestinian Authority, Hamas and Islamic Jihad), or any transactions with them (66 Fed. Reg. 51088 and Presidential Executive Order 13224).
The Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act (1996) makes support of terrorist groups illegal. The National Defense Authorization Act (1996) prohibits the Defense Department from providing funds to terrorist countries and those who aid terrorists.
The Foreign Operations, Export Financing and Related Appropriations Act (1996) and the Omnibus Appropriations Act (1997) prohibit funding terrorist organizations.
The US Patriot Act to intercept and obstruct terrorism (2001) makes it unlawful to provide support or assistance to terrorist organizations.
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's withdrawal plan violates these laws by assisting the creation of a terrorist entity; by facilitating the plan, President George Bush would be culpable as an accessory to terrorism.
Unilateral withdrawal from Gaza undermines Bush's war against terrorism in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as his efforts to contain other countries that support terrorism, like Iran and North Korea. It undermines the "Roadmap to Peace", which stipulates a negotiating process. It will strengthen and encourage terrorists by rewarding them with greater autonomy and authority. It will eliminate the possibility of moderation and conciliation in those areas under Palestinian control.
Defending and strengthening Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza, and elsewhere in Israel, is part of the worldwide effort against terrorism. Like it or not, the Jewish finger is in the dike.
The burden to keep hope alive rests not only on Israel, but on everyone; it demands a change in perspective. Consider the following as such an alternate view.
Solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict demands a change in perspective, not piecemeal, local maneuvers. This is a regional problem, involving surrounding Arab countries; all must work together, with international assistance and enforcement, towards a regional solution. The burden must be shared.
United Nations-sponsored Palestinian "refugee camps" must be dismantled, turned into towns and residents given citizenship rights in their host and/or other countries. Until the Palestinian Authority abandons terrorism and moves towards peace, Jordan should be considered the sole representative of the Palestinian people and responsible for them.
Palestinian terrorism and incitement must end as a prerequisite to any other progress. This is a fundamental principle, not only for Israel, but for the world community. Terrorism deserves no rewards or legitimacy. A society that teaches homicide and murder threatens not only Israel, but our entire civilization.
The Palestinian Authority (and its militias) must be abolished, since it is a terrorist organization. All funds should be directed to legitimate institutions that promote the health, education and welfare of "Palestinians" in need, for a limited period, wherever they reside and whatever their origin. This will allow people to get on with their lives.
Terrorism must end once and for all. That's the bottom line.
Patience. This is going to take a long time. Only after communism was defeated was it possible to reform the Soviet bloc or build democracies in Latin America. We are talking here of a historical epoch of 20 to 50 years.
Steadfastness. Only a willingness to wage a long-term struggle can succeed.
Fighting back. Using everything from force to maintaining one's normal life.
Containing extremism. Denying it victories, especially a chance to extend its rule to more countries.
Encouraging alternatives. Alternative forces in the Arab and Islamic world must be encouraged, while understanding that outsiders' influence will be limited and transformation slow.
Tell the truth. Lies must be combated and struggle waged on the intellectual battlefield to combat the "useful idiots" (Lenin's term) and fellow travelers who echo the radicals' propaganda.
The battle against radical Arab nationalism and Jihadist Islamism involves the willingness to fight for one's rights, to sustain that battle over a long time, to avoid appeasement, and to win possible allies. None of this is glamorous. But history will show that this is what the current era |
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