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2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023 2024 2025 2026 2027 2028  *: * So* Much * Random * Talking * Here :* ~Episode III (pg. 1055) View this Thread in Original format pkcRAISTLIN suck it up JBJ, if i have to work you have to as well. sunday night, last day of my 2 weeks off. . PS you stu. Fledz quote: Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles That's part of my problem, I think. I'm incapable of being a kiss-ass or painting a false portrait of myself as a "go-getter" who's eager to "advance in my career" or whatever. There's your problem. You don't need to be a kiss ass to get ahead. I read a good article today which is somewhat related, about networking. Everyone knows that it's your network to gets you ahead, but the article made a good point that only a minority have realised it's actually the quality of the relationships you have in your network, not the sheer number. Got me thinking actually, because while I do make my network bigger, I try to keep in touch with as many people as I can and do things for them because it means I get things done in return. A favour for a favour. quote: Originally posted by EgosXII ALL FUTURE POSTS WOULD HAVE BEEN IGNORED IF YOU HADN'T POSTED THIS: which made me think maybe you're ok... :stongue: MrJiveBoJingles quote: Originally posted by Fledz There's your problem. You don't need to be a kiss ass to get ahead. Maybe not, but you do need to do the second thing I mentioned ("painting a false portrait of myself as a "go-getter" who's eager to "advance in my career" or whatever"). Although certainly for some people that would not be false, I think that for most it is. And in a way, that is actually just another, less direct version of kiss-assery. The "go-getter" portrait could be translated without loss into something like "Your company is so cool and exciting that I would love to work for it!" Even if all the applicant really cares about is getting a decent salary in a work environment that's not terribly annoying. EgosXII quote: Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Not really. I just suck at dishonesty. It's more of a disadvantage than anything. it's not about honesty though, it's about doing what you don't want to. You don't HAVE to blurt out your opinons on everything: That's not honesty, that's being rude. honesty has nothing to do with how you handle difficult situations, you just dont want to ever have to confront anything challenging, and that's the problem. Nobody wants to face challenging situations, but we all have to. We realise its then move on, you get stuck on how it is and blame everything outside of yourself, instead of getting over it by realising you have to go thru sometimes Ian 2 weeks until the best album of the year is released :D And that's no lie, mr jbj :D Fledz quote: Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Maybe not, but you do need to do the second thing I mentioned ("painting a false portrait of myself as a "go-getter" who's eager to "advance in my career" or whatever"). Although certainly for some people that would not be false, I think that for most it is. And in a way, that is actually just another, less direct version of kiss-assery. The "go-getter" portrait could be translated without loss into something like "Your company is so cool and exciting that I would love to work for it!" Even if all the applicant really cares about is getting a decent salary in a work environment that's not terribly annoying. Once again, no you don't. I work for a purpose and I do what they want me to do. If management is at a point where they can't criticise you, well then you're doing great. I'm hired to do a job, I do it, and I do it well. I don't need to go around shoving it in peoples faces because the results speak for themselves and the important people are the ones who notice the results. Most successful people work this way and they get to positions without pissing others off. Other people do what you're saying and eventually get to a point where everyone hates them, their network sucks and they are stuck in middle management, if that. Game over. Incidentally, exactly the type of people I keep the away from because they are cancerous. MrJiveBoJingles quote: Originally posted by EgosXII it's not about honesty though, it's about doing what you don't want to. The two aren't mutually exclusive, i.e. what I do not want to do is be dishonest. quote: You don't HAVE to blurt out your opinons on everything: That's not honesty, that's being rude. Well, I'm not talking about "brutal" honesty or being a social boor. I don't go around telling everybody absolutely everything I think of them. I'm talking about the basics: things like truthfully reporting attitudes or opinions when asked about them. These things are precluded by the interview process, at least in my case. MrJiveBoJingles quote: Originally posted by Fledz Once again, no you don't. I work for a purpose and I do what they want me to do. If management is at a point where they can't criticise you, well then you're doing great. I'm still talking about the interview process. It seems like you're now focusing on the point when a person already has the job. Fledz ^^^Sorry, got you now. Read on... quote: Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The two aren't mutually exclusive, i.e. what I do not want to do is be dishonest. Well, I'm not talking about "brutal" honesty or being a social boor. I don't go around telling everybody absolutely everything I think of them. I'm talking about the basics: things like truthfully reporting attitudes or opinions when asked about them. These things are precluded by the interview process, at least in my case. An interview is an exercise in selling yourself. You are the product and the salesman so make yourself look like the best product they can buy. When I go into an interview, I know that I want them to give me the job first, then I'll worry about actually getting the job done. If you don't get an opportunity to show your skills, then it's pointless. If I feel I'm not appropriate for the job, then I don't go for it. We all know an interview is a big ball of bull. You know that and the interviewer does too. Just get on with it. Joss Weatherby god ing damn it... there is an annoying hum coming from someplace... i think outside... not sure wtf it is... :whip: :whip: :whip: EgosXII quote: Originally posted by Fledz ^^^Sorry, got you now. Read on... An interview is an exercise in selling yourself. You are the product and the salesman so make yourself look like the best product they can buy. When I go into an interview, I know that I want them to give me the job first, then I'll worry about actually getting the job done. If you don't get an opportunity to show your skills, then it's pointless. If I feel I'm not appropriate for the job, then I don't go for it. We all know an interview is a big ball of bull. You know that and the interviewer does too. Just get on with it. he's saying he wouldn't pass it because he can't sell himself though, because he's uncapable of putting aside his view of himself in order to 'pretend' he would be a good candidate... it's a self esteem issue, and an issue with dealing with life quote: Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles The two aren't mutually exclusive, i.e. what I do not want to do is be dishonest. Well, I'm not talking about "brutal" honesty or being a social boor. I don't go around telling everybody absolutely everything I think of them. I'm talking about the basics: things like truthfully reporting attitudes or opinions when asked about them. These things are precluded by the interview process, at least in my case. yeah i realise that, but there's a line between honesty and dis- in any circumstance man. I was obviously taking it to the extreme, BUT it stands that you don't have to flat out lie, and you don't have to flat out tell everyone your dumb, because you're not (again, extremes :p ) it's about levels: You can be honest and not be negative, and you should be able to be enough of an adult to handle yourself differently in different contexts. thats all it comes down to: If you're telling me there's not some angle which would make you a good candidate for whatever job, then you're being silly. Focus on the positive sides of yourself, thereby telling the entire truth, AND telling them what they want to hear. your 'honesty' doesn't have to be negative, and it doesn't have to be self-sacrificing. Fledz quote: Originally posted by EgosXII it's a self esteem issue, and an issue with dealing with life This is JBJ in a nutshell and it's about time he snapped out of it. This is what those ty teenage years are for. Just pretend you're confident and eventually you will be once you realise how ridiculous you're acting. 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