Originally posted by EgosXII
yeah i realise that, but there's a line between honesty and dis- in any circumstance man. I was obviously taking it to the extreme, BUT it stands that you don't have to flat out lie, and you don't have to flat out tell everyone your dumb, because you're not (again, extremes :p )
it's about levels: You can be honest and not be negative, and you should be able to be enough of an adult to handle yourself differently in different contexts.
thats all it comes down to: If you're telling me there's not some angle which would make you a good candidate for whatever job, then you're being silly.
Focus on the positive sides of yourself, thereby telling the entire truth, AND telling them what they want to hear.
your 'honesty' doesn't have to be negative, and it doesn't have to be self-sacrificing.
I think you're missing the point. I'm not talking about going into an interview and then flying into a tearful confession about how I hate myself and think I'm an idiot (which I don't, in any case). LOL! I know I have a few skills, and I can portray those positively.
I'm talking about responding to very common questions like "Why do you want to work for this company?" and "What motivates you?" and "Where do you see yourself in five years?" with anything like a truthful answer.
Sushipunk
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
PS you stu.
:stongue:
EgosXII
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I think you're missing the point. I'm not talking about going into an interview and then flying into a tearful confession about how I hate myself and think I'm an idiot (which I don't, in any case). LOL! I know I have a few skills, and I can portray those positively.
I'm talking about responding to very common questions like "Why do you want to work for this company?" and "What motivates you?" and "Where do you see yourself in five years?" with anything like a truthful answer.
read my first paragraph, i'm exagerating to more accurately explain my position :)
i'm saying take the questions, and give your answers from a positive truth, NOT a negative truth.
both are true, but one is beneficial, and one is not. Life sucks, life is also grey, and you're able to CHOOSE which side you would prefer to deal with.
both the positive and negative truths are true, but the positive ones help you, and the negative ones you up.
You're entirely capable of tellign the positive truths, and getting positive results from the situation, while maintaining your honesty.
Stop being negative about everything, and look on the bright side. It's as honest as the negative truth EXCEPT everyone involved benefits.
edit: You actually did answer my point in your post, I pretty much just elaborated on what i said because I still think it covers what you said in response.
They know you don't want to work for them, you don't have to say that. Say why you would prefer to work for them than their competition (there must be a reason since you applied for the interview) etc...
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I think you're missing the point. I'm not talking about going into an interview and then flying into a tearful confession about how I hate myself and think I'm an idiot (which I don't, in any case). LOL! I know I have a few skills, and I can portray those positively.
I'm talking about responding to very common questions like "Why do you want to work for this company?" and "What motivates you?" and "Where do you see yourself in five years?" with anything like a truthful answer.
why do you give a about the truth? its an interview, you're supposed to lie your off.
like fledz said, its time to grow up. we all hate working, some of us more than others :( but unless you wanna be poor and never get to do , you gotta man up. i feel the same level of doubt in an interview as you do, i DONT want the job and i DONT want to work hard and i DONT want to have a 5-year plan, except if it involved sleeping.
ing 7.5 hours til i have to be up. goddamn you employment :mad:
Lira
Hey, Paul,
Good Workies!
Tomorrow is a national holiday here :D
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
why do you give a about the truth? its an interview, you're supposed to lie your off.
like fledz said, its time to grow up. we all hate working, some of us more than others :( but unless you wanna be poor and never get to do , you gotta man up. i feel the same level of doubt in an interview as you do, i DONT want the job and i DONT want to work hard and i DONT want to have a 5-year plan, except if it involved sleeping.
It's not that I mind working hard and I can even formulate a quick five-year plan for a company I want to work for. I cannot, however, lie. I just can't do it.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by Lira
Hey, Paul,
Good Workies!
Tomorrow is a national holiday here :D
you marcus, you.
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
It's not that I mind working hard and I can even formulate a quick five-year plan for a company I want to work for. I cannot, however, lie. I just can't do it.
if i formulate a 5 year plan, then that's a lie ;)
MrJiveBoJingles
I don't even have a six month plan, much less anything spanning years...
Lira
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
you marcus, you.
I can't :(
I mean, theoretically speaking, I can, but not in a way that is supported by the Catholic Church.
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
if i formulate a 5 year plan, then that's a lie ;)
Wild speculation is never a lie. :p
It really is a useless question, though. It proves absolutely nothing about who you are or what kind of employee you'll be. At best, it shows you can mirror the hiring manager's sensibilities. I think I'm just going to try being radically honest at my next interview.
"Well, I don't really care for Accounts Receivables in your box company but I need something which pays the rent. There's just no satisfaction in auditing a spreadsheet downloaded from a payment gateway just to make sure your prematurely rolled out, proprietary computer program didn't double charge the customer because your programmers are too ing lazy to allocate memory. Your method of handling checks, being a boggy morning nightmare rivaling the combined French and American entanglement in Vietnam, notwithstanding, am I to derive some form of job satisfaction when I come home and announce that I just prevented five customers from having to request a chargeback from their credit-card company which would convince you that I was an excellent hiring decision. That's a pretty ing pathetic existence, if you ask me, and there are much better things to be thinking about than the self-aggrandizing fantasy of AR rock-star at AAA Corrugated. My five year plan? Wake up, come to work, drink coffee, make sure my job is done at the end of the day, go home, get stoned, work on music, go to sleep, lather, rinse, repeat."
stren
I got burgled :(
Halcyon+On+On
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Originally posted by stren
I got burgled :(
, sorry to hear, Stren. I'll bet it was done by some head without a ing job who doesn't really feel like integrating into society because it's just not worth it...
