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*: * So* Much * Random * Talking * Here :* ~Episode III (pg. 197)
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| Lira |
| That's what happens when you give people too little training and too many weapons :( |
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| bARTovsky |
| I can understand civilian casualties during a violent conflict. But it's the transcribed audio that gets me. Just hearing them embellish the situation and almost enjoy it like a video game with real people. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by bARTovsky
and almost enjoy it like a video game with real people. |
That's the worst of all, in my opinion, and why I said they needed more training.
Driving an helicopter is fun, I can understand that.
Shooting inanimate objects is fun too, I can also understand that.
But the moment you shoot people to kill... that's when the games end. |
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| leph555 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
But the moment you shoot people to kill... that's when the games end. |
unless you are turned into a killing machine :( |
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| Lews |
Stu you're a dick.
Lunch tomorrow? :gsmile: |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by bARTovsky
I can understand civilian casualties during a violent conflict. But it's the transcribed audio that gets me. Just hearing them embellish the situation and almost enjoy it like a video game with real people. |
GET SOME!
Soldiers are trained to kill. Marines are trained to kill. Will is trained to watch clouds.
Anyway, its their job, lots of people have fun at their jobs. Their job happens to involve killing people. Its not all that disturbing if you can rationalize it like that. Its a job.
Also if you do not vent that emotion, because its a deeply emotional experience, in some way then its going to build in you and destroy you. Venting it in a celebratory manner is a good way to do that, it builds camaraderie.
So just remember, this IS war. Civilians dying sucks, but its not like these guys went out that day and said "lets kill some civilians" because all that does is build more enemies, and thats the last thing any soldier wants on the battlefield. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Stu you're a dick.
Lunch tomorrow? :gsmile: |
It already is tomorrow, and I just had lunch :p |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Soldiers are trained to kill. Marines are trained to kill. Will is trained to watch clouds. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Anyway, its their job, lots of people have fun at their jobs. Their job happens to involve killing people. Its not all that disturbing if you can rationalize it like that. Its a job. |
It is disturbing TO rationalize like that. Their job is not to kill, it's to protect their country, and killing is second to that. There was no threat in sight, and he was excited before anything had even happened: that's the problem.
By the way, I studied in military school for seven years, and my father, my grandfather, and my great grandfather were all in the military, so I know their way of thinking a tad bit better than you probably imagine (even though I come from a country that last fought a war in... erm... 1870?). |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
It already is tomorrow, and I just had lunch :p |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
It already is tomorrow, and I just had lunch :p |
OMG, you're from the future!!! |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
:stongue:
It is disturbing TO rationalize like that. Their job is not to kill, it's to protect their country, and killing is second to that. There was no threat in sight, and he was excited before anything had even happened: that's the problem.
By the way, I studied in military school for seven years, and my father, my grandfather, and my great grandfather were all in the military, so I know their way of thinking a tad bit better than you probably imagine (even though I come from a country that last fought a war in... erm... 1870?). |
Even with that I think you are making a mistake in identity. The job of the organization is to protect their countries national interests. To do that 99% of the time it involves someone dying for something. Soldiers are there to kill. Not play interurban cop or peacekeeper (the US military has never been a peacekeeping force in the most basic sense). Its always been designed to engage in armed combat and kill the enemy.
Thats the problem in these low intensity conflicts. Its not how we were designed. Fortunately Afghanistan is in a lot of ways a more traditional form of combat, but Iraq is not. The US military is still designed to engage, destroy, and conquer.
The debate then goes into "do we change this to represent the conflicts we have now?"
I think the answer is no.
We do not need to be in these types of conflicts in the first place. These bush war type conflicts are something that the US ALONG with the international community need to handle these and maybe a subset of the US military needs to be trained in a much more peacekeeping type set of duties. The US needs to maintain a much smaller, more traditional military in the future. We still need to be able to rapidly deploy any place on the globe but our current set up is too much for us to handle with our budget concerns.
Right now the US is set up to fight TWO major land battles at once against a traditional military force. Obviously these wars we are in right now, especially Iraq strain that traditional mentality.
If we can avoid low intensity conflicts, or at least engage them in a much stronger international community than I think that is the answer. We keep a rapid reaction force that is able to fight one traditional military conflict at a time and the reserve structure intact to rapidly build up manpower if we need to expand in a conflict. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
OMG, you're from the future!!! |
I just bought a pair of these tomorrow :o |
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