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*: * So* Much * Random * Talking * Here :* ~Episode III (pg. 1169)
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| I agree that residual independence does not necessarily equate to self-efficacy, but I do believe that a sense of self equates to a sense of worth, and that is an invaluable thing. Co-dependency is not inherently immoral somehow, and I do not truly believe the majority of Americans think that is is, we just like to think in stereotypes because they just aren't wrong all the time, and the assumption that 30-year old men still living with their mothers are largely lacking in the self-worth department. Not always, and not under specific circumstances such as atypical live-in healthcare, but a grown manchild too afraid to live on his own because of uncertainty? Because he has been coddled to the point of inefficency and lacking in the gestures to create a family of his own someday? Come on, it ing happens. |
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| Lira |
| I don't know, loads of cousins lived with their parents until their early thirties and they turned out just fine :conf: |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| NOT IN AMERICA THEY DIDN'T! |
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| Lira |
Incidentally, it was in South America, yeah :D
Like very very Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooouth America. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
I do see just what you're saying though, and I quite agree with it. It makes far more sense for the family unit to live as one, in dependence of another- it's not only more tribal in nature, but closeness to one's family is a very healthy thing for people's minds, and their stomachs. :p
I think it would be a far healthier thing for the population in general to be, socially, "allowed" to live from home while you go to school/university - not only does it save the family far more money in the end, but it's a typically less volatile environment for studying, the only problem tends to be with centralization. I rather like how things are in England - you graduate high school at 15/16, you aren't allowed to drive until you're 18, so a couple of years are spent figuring out how to be an adult before you're totally forced to be one. It's not perfect, but it makes for more sense than things did for me, where I graduated high school at 17 and was immediately out on my own.
The stigma obviously comes from an obvious exception in the case of people's inability to cope on their own, and I also hold that the ability to be independent is not one without merit - but as with most things, Americans have found a way to deride people into acting "accordingly" out of either sheer guilt or the incentive to avoid being the target of ridicule. Some people however, react to this adversely and so go into even deeper hiding within their family's cellar, only to emerge for the regular nourishment of hot pockets and World of Warcraft game time cards. It's obviously not a healthy thing, but who cares about their feelings at that point? They're equally deserving of our contempt, damned moochers! |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
I do see just what you're saying though, and I quite agree with it. It makes far more sense for the family unit to live as one, in dependence of another- it's not only more tribal in nature, but closeness to one's family is a very healthy thing for people's minds, and their stomachs. :p
I think it would be a far healthier thing for the population in general to be, socially, "allowed" to live from home while you go to school/university - not only does it save the family far more money in the end, but it's a typically less volatile environment for studying, the only problem tends to be with centralization. I rather like how things are in England - you graduate high school at 15/16, you aren't allowed to drive until you're 18, so a couple of years are spent figuring out how to be an adult before you're totally forced to be one. It's not perfect, but it makes for more sense than things did for me, where I graduated high school at 17 and was immediately out on my own.
The stigma obviously comes from an obvious exception in the case of people's inability to cope on their own, and I also hold that the ability to be independent is not one without merit - but as with most things, Americans have found a way to deride people into acting "accordingly" out of either sheer guilt or the incentive to avoid being the target of ridicule. Some people however, react to this adversely and so go into even deeper hiding within their family's cellar, only to emerge for the regular nourishment of hot pockets and World of Warcraft game time cards. It's obviously not a healthy thing, but who cares about their feelings at that point? They're equally deserving of our contempt, damned moochers! |
Haha, yeah. I don't know what it is like to go through the American experience, but I can only imagine how weird it must be to go from high school to complete independence at 17. And we've got outcasts here too... they fail to adapt in any society, regardless of its rules :p |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
It's always baffled me. This American obsession of leaving home, though I'm guilty of having assimilated some of it.
Bringing girls home isn't a problem, at all. Depending on the household the "intruder" can either sleep in the same bedroom or somewhere else: my brother even had a temporary room in his ex's house after they completed a year together.
There were even three generations of my family living together in the same house in São Paulo until a couple of months ago. Needless to say, when I decided to abandon the nest, my mother was both puzzled and somewhat hurt because that's the tradition she comes from. |
Yea, my brother has brought girls home, its not a big deal really.
Also I have three houses, two parents, that means one of them is empty at some point... Just go to that one... :p |
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| Silky Johnson |
| No, your PARENTS have 3 houses. Lol jesus. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Miss Pie
No, your PARENTS have 3 houses. Lol jesus. |
yea that *I* can use... :rolleyes: |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
Maybe you can be my coach? A friend of mine bought a nice board/pieces and now wants someone to play against. Unfortunately I am not good competition. I downloaded GoGNU and I lose to the computer at the easiest setting. I understand the rules of the game and how to play I just don't know where to put my pieces in open space to hold territory without being surrounded. I'm also not good playing near the edges and know how to leave spaces or eyes to prevent my groups from being taken. |
its definitely one of those, easy to learn, impossible to master games haha..
i find usually sticking around the diamonds on the board (i can't remember exactly, but they're up near each corner and there's one in the middle i believe), in the corners is a good way to open.
you really need to play a long game, so try and just get some half-eyes in the corners, or just one so later on when the game gets there, you can set up the eyes really quickly...
alternately and how most n00bs play (myself included :p ) is just try and capture as much of the opponents stuff as possible, cause you'll inevitably build eyes...
you can dig yourself into a whole this way if you're opponent is good, but if you're careful about it it can work out... just make sure you're thinking a few moves ahead when taking their pieces, and try and get the eyess!! :p
also, just watch Hikaru no Go! :haha:
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
its definitely one of those, easy to learn, impossible to master games haha..
i find usually sticking around the diamonds on the board (i can't remember exactly, but they're up near each corner and there's one in the middle i believe), in the corners is a good way to open.
you really need to play a long game, so try and just get some half-eyes in the corners, or just one so later on when the game gets there, you can set up the eyes really quickly...
alternately and how most n00bs play (myself included :p ) is just try and capture as much of the opponents stuff as possible, cause you'll inevitably build eyes...
you can dig yourself into a whole this way if you're opponent is good, but if you're careful about it it can work out... just make sure you're thinking a few moves ahead when taking their pieces, and try and get the eyess!! :p
also, just watch Hikaru no Go! :haha: |
It's quite a different mindset. I'm use to games like chess where the objective is to capture the opponents pieces where as in Go its about controlling territory. Scoring is odd too, its not how many pieces you have on the board but how many empty areas you control.
Like you said, the game plays out quite differently depending on your skill level. Beginners attack/defend in one area while better players move all over the place. |
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