Interesting debate. Although...Ronaldo, even during his cracking 42 goals season, was playing mostly on the wings, with Rooney/Berba/Tevez being the "1" in the 4-5-1. I wasn't aware in what a bad shape the rest of Portugal's side are atm (I do observe, however, how useless Deco has become).., it would be a shame because there definitely is a massive amount of potential there. It sometimes really depends on the mental state and team chemistry. It's pretty impressive how Nani started to prosper once Fergie gave him a proper hairdryer treatment after his remarks in the press.
Renzo
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
He doesn't, though.
I think he will shine in this World Cup. We shall see.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by TranceGiant
Interesting debate. Although...Ronaldo, even during his cracking 42 goals season, was playing mostly on the wings, with Rooney/Berba/Tevez being the "1" in the 4-5-1.
I don't think you're remembering very clearly, given Berbatov was still at Spurs during Ronaldo's 42 goal season. United's 4-3-3 was quite Total Football, and it was very common for all three forwards to swap positions fluidly, but Ronaldo still spent a lot of time up front, especially in big European games.
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It's pretty impressive how Nani started to prosper once Fergie gave him a proper hairdryer treatment after his remarks in the press.
Nani's problem was simple: he was too greedy and too eager to go for glory. Until this season all he did was cut in from the left wing and attempt a 30 yard shot. Fergie has clearly told him to stop doing that and to start passing, crossing and looking for his team.
noikeee
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
That doesn't make sense, because Queiroz was the one who converted Ferguson from his trusty 4-4-2 to the cosmopolitan 4-3-3/4-5-1 that allowed Ronaldo to prosper. Further evidence that Queiroz is absolutely useless as a stand-alone manager, I suppose.
The portuguese squad is not the Man Utd squad. The whole players are in a completely different mindset. The team isn't able to build up play at lightning pace like Man Utd does, and every english Premiership team does (although evidently teams like Hull and Stoke are E at playing the ball, I'm just saying they play the ball rapidly). The routine of the players is much MUCH more static, patiently building up play through technique. In this case Ronaldo as a striker just doesn't get the space to does his runs because he's forced to become static in the area, as the defence catches up with our attack because we take far too long to create danger.
Queiroz is not great as a standalone manager, but his record of building up portuguese football in the late 80s/early 90s is fantastic. Got us two Under 20 world titles, and laid the foundations for the "golden generation" of Figo, Rui Costa and Joćo Pinto. I believe he is better at organizational, structural, training skills, than at laying out and directing the tactics to the players.
TranceGiant
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I don't think you're remembering very clearly, given Berbatov was still at Spurs during Ronaldo's 42 goal season. United's 4-3-3 was quite Total Football, and it was very common for all three forwards to swap positions fluidly, but Ronaldo still spent a lot of time up front, especially in big European games.
Nani's problem was simple: he was too greedy and too eager to go for glory. Until this season all he did was cut in from the left wing and attempt a 30 yard shot. Fergie has clearly told him to stop doing that and to start passing, crossing and looking for his team.
My bad, I mixed things up a bit. Unfortunately, it doesn't make much difference when Berbatov arrived, it's as if he's still at Tottenham ;(
Nani always had the skills, he just lacked the footballing brain and suffered from an understandable Ronaldo-shadow complex. He won't be a second Ronaldo, but I believe he can definitely become world class.
SYSTEM-J
Many of your best players have done well in the Premiership: Ronaldo, Nani, Deco, Carvalho, Bosingwa, Thiago, Maniche, Ferreira... Without trying to be disrespectful, most of your other players play in the Portuguese league, which isn't anywhere near as good as the Premiership, and Portuguese teams don't even play particularly good passing, technical football. If I were managing Portugal, I would try and play a Premiership-style game over a Liga-style.
nchs09
Buying a Netherlands hat and jersey on the 15th... spicy.
LoveHate
i still think donovan and team usa are going to upset alot of people,
nchs09
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Originally posted by LoveHate
i still think donovan and team usa are going to upset alot of people,
jog on...
sensorium
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i still think donovan and team usa are going to upset alot of people,
Yeah, mostly those born in the U.S. :stongue: :stongue:
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I still remember these:
The second one has the best pass I've ever seen, from Riquelme.
That first one is great. But the pass itself has its own merit, for both goals.
Anyway, the point is Messi doesn't play at the level he shows with Barca. And if he is to stand out during the WC he needs to do more than just finish plays. He has vision and a lot of potential.
gehzumteufel
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Yeah, mostly those born in the U.S. :stongue: :stongue:
I agree with this, but the US did a bang up job of beating Spain in the Confederations Cup. You have to hand it to them, that compared to a few years ago, they are doing pretty well. Of course, this is all relative.
sensorium
Yeah, they did. Beating a the top-ranked team that was unbeatable was great for them. They're certainly better. But I don't think they'll make it far in the WC.
