|
FIFA World Cup 2010 in South Africa Discussion (pg. 256)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Honestly, I am actually glad that England went out as they the team that was sent didn't belong there in the first place.
By your logic I should be glad that spain won because they beat Germany but I have no bias and watched the game from a neutral standpoint. It's like when you watch a match and don't care as to who wins just as long there's some good football...and there really wasn't apart from spains header. for a semi it was utter turd.
The german passing was far superior throughout most of the game but spain got the goal and had some good posession at times (certainly not not all). It was football and germany just fell apart after the goal and spain just kept the ball. |
How was the German passing superior? They couldn't even win the ball back or get it out of their own half. Are you saying it's superior because they were able to string longer passes together? |
|
|
| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Honestly, I am actually glad that England went out as they the team that was sent didn't belong there in the first place.
By your logic I should be glad that spain won because they beat Germany but I have no bias and watched the game from a neutral standpoint. It's like when you watch a match and don't care as to who wins just as long there's some good football...and there really wasn't apart from spains header. for a semi it was utter turd.
The german passing was far superior throughout most of the game but spain got the goal and had some good posession at times (certainly not not all). It was football and germany just fell apart after the goal and spain just kept the ball. |
Germany seemed overawed by the occasion and tried to play much more defensively than before. Because of that, Spain had a lot of possession but there wasn't much space for them to apply the killer ball. Podolski was pretty anonymous, Klose was chasing scraps and it wasn't until Kroos came on that they had a bit of creativity. Del Bosque hasn't quite got his formation right for how the spanish like to play too, he's not using enough width, relying on capdevilla & ramos whereas Aragones used Silva, Cazorla and Iniesta as real width and often had 2 strikers. I think at times Spain really needed the height and physical presence of Fernando Llorente just to create something for Villa to feed off. The better team on the night won though. |
|
|
| Glaniskanis |
Ofcourse you are wrong Bas!! NL will take it :p
Don't need any arguments, but I will contemplate some more :D
I have to say this, Spain is the team I was expecting to become the finalist far before the tournament started. I didn't expect it from NL up to the last matches before the start of the World Cup, then it became all clear to me. NL - Spain in the final (I'm dominating the pool of my friends also atm ;))
So far in the tournament Spain has pretty much dominated every other team (last night was no different) except for the match against Chile in the first half and Paraguay to a lesser extent. Chile played with balls and Spain looked beatable to say the least. The Germans last night let Spain play too much of their own game. They were playing pretty much from their own half alone, which made it even easier for Spain to make some of their fabulous combinations. Obviously Germany had to somewhat play in that style, but this was far too defensive. If they went all out on attack, they would've given Spain more of what they wanted and Spain would've ripped the defence to shreds, but probably the right tactic was to play less in their own box and more in front of it and on Spain's half. A tad more defensive than offensive though (especially with Müller out).
For the final I'm expecting NL to play like they did against Brazil in the second half in terms of tactics and guts. If they don't, they probably won't take it.
In any case it will be a hard fight with the 2 teams that have lost the least in the last 2 years of pretty much all countries in the world.
Spain has only lost to Switzerland and NL hasn't lost a game since the start of the qualifications and could be the 2nd team in history to play a completely perfect tournament.
We shall see, may the best team win, and hopefully thats us :D |
|
|
| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by bas
I wasn't pinning it all on Torres being out of form, I was pinning it on the fact that it's an entirely new formation that Spain never plays. They don't ever play with Torres up front and all the midfielers feeding him shots. They play with Villa up front alone or possibly side by side with Torres (with Torres there to relieve pressure). The sole purpose of the opening few games was for Torres to get his confidence back, he wasn't able to make things happen in the first half so del Bosque took him off and they went back to ass kicking Spain. That's how they do.
Germany beating Australia, Argentina, and England by big margins was impressive given the fact that this was essentially a new German team. Argentina has a horrible defense and Germany was able to pick them apart easily, England has their own slew of problems that Germany was easily able to exploit, and Australia call themselves the Socceroos. But when they played a team that specialized in possession and has a rock solid defense, they really can't fight back. Xavi, Iniesta, Busqutes, and Alonso really just shut down Schweinsteiger and Ozil. They have nothing on them, and when you look at the Netherlands they don't have anyone that can compete either.
Anyway, this Germany is a new younger Germany and they'll get far moving forward. This will be really good for them, but this is Spain's year. |
fair enough i suppose with the formation, but surely they still trained/tested the new formation...? :conf:
definitely true about germany failing against good defense, i said that for a long time, i just never knew spain had one :p
i also agree it's no big loss for germany cause they're so young and really proved a lot this year.. however, this is the netherlands' year.
nearly everyone on the team is great, obviously robben, van persie (if he picks up), sneijder, de jong and kuyt are all capable of dominating up forward, and controlling the ball. they're not a one-man team :)
i really don't think netherlands and spain are that different teams, in terms of how they play (strong defense, heavy reliance on possesion and waiting for openings), except netherlands has a tanked midfield to go with their strong defense...
will see what happens though, i actually think it'll be pretty interesting game since they are pretty similar in terms of strategy... neither is reckless, so it'll be interesting to see how they play... hopefully won't be boring as :stongue: |
|
|
| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
fair enough i suppose with the formation, but surely they still trained/tested the new formation...? :conf:
definitely true about germany failing against good defense, i said that for a long time, i just never knew spain had one :p
i also agree it's no big loss for germany cause they're so young and really proved a lot this year.. however, this is the netherlands' year.
nearly everyone on the team is great, obviously robben, van persie (if he picks up), sneijder, de jong and kuyt are all capable of dominating up forward, and controlling the ball. they're not a one-man team :)
i really don't think netherlands and spain are that different teams, in terms of how they play (strong defense, heavy reliance on possesion and waiting for openings), except netherlands has a tanked midfield to go with their strong defense...
will see what happens though, i actually think it'll be pretty interesting game since they are pretty similar in terms of strategy... neither is reckless, so it'll be interesting to see how they play... hopefully won't be boring as :stongue: |
nigel de jong :) that dirty bastard broke the leg of one of our midfielders and we could've been relegated without his input. It was a dirty dirty tackle too :mad:
I enjoy seeing Robben and it'll be interesting to see if he restricts ramos' forward movements and also since they were teammates if anything different is tried tactically by either. I would love to see Spain play Cesc in place of Busquets though. |
|
|
| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Meat187
Germany will lose. :( :sadgreen:
I hope I can console her. :gsmile: |
You better be consoling her right now :mad: |
|
|
| Kaidreas |
Spain was by far the better team yesterday, in second half it toke almost 20minutes before the germans did an attempt to score. (spain allready had 3 attempts). If you see spain playing with the ball it was logical, the germans are just running around and pushing forward while the spanish aren't scared of playing the ball backwards if it doesn't work.
I hope the dutch win the game on sunday, if they give better passes and finish their attempts more then last game they have a chance. Allso 'Robben's thingie helps alot, instead of going inwards he suprises the defenders and goes outwards for more room and then he passes the ball. brilliant and works every time.
I'm gonna watch the game in Eindhoven on sunday (like i did tuesday). The holland madness was just unreal :D I hope they win!
Went to germany yesterday, and there was nothing...we saw the match on a little tv with 30 old people. :D so i was glad spain won, now we don't have to choose where to go! (spain is just to far) |
|
|
| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
You better be consoling her right now :mad: |
So abrasive, Fledz, don't you care about the feelings of others? The proper way to say it:
"You better be consoling her right now and taking pics, Meat. Think about the rest of us."
:mad: :toothless |
|
|
| get nyce |
bas you'll never be able to reason with people who just don't see it the way we do
i'll say it now, NL vs Spain..the winner of this match will be the one who controls the midfield. These two teams have the most capable midfield in the cup, they both gather and control. I am happy that both NL and Spain is playing for the cup, my heart is with Spain but if NL wins I'll be equally happy to celebrate Oranje. Sunday will be adorned in Villa away. |
|
|
| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by bas
By no means did Germany "choke" today, they just couldn't get possession back. Time and again they would get the ball away and Spain would get possession back and hold it, that's what they do, and in the off chance Germany was able to get through Puyol & Pique, Casillas was there to clean up.
Talking football with you people is absurd, there's like four people in here that actually know what the they're talking about :stongue: |
Exactly. The problem Germany have is they're a ball-playing team who like possession, but they came up against the possession masters. Spain patiently kept the ball all night, controlling the game and waiting for a chance. That doesn't mean it was pretty to watch. They were still afraid of the German counter so the game never opened up, and they scored the winner from a corner. Hardly exciting.
My worry is we'll see another such game in the final, and Spain will 1-0 their way to a World Cup. If the Dutch try to control the game, they will lose. They need to look at the Switzerland game, and look at how Inter Milan beat Barcelona, and give Spain possession. I'm still not convinced this Spain side have a Plan B. |
|
|
| Glaniskanis |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
and look at how Inter Milan beat Barcelona |
That's precisely what I mean indeed :)
With that in mind btw, the heart of Inter Milan is also the heart of the Dutch team ;) |
|
|
| get nyce |
I don't think they need to have a plan b.
With Torres in the line up controlling the forward position left the wings fully capable in scoring because all eyes on torres when he's holding the ball..brings a double and ramos or villa open for a run.
Against Germany without Torres starting, pedro was ignored, challenged only a few times as he had more try on goals then most. Germany was forced to double Villa as it was clear he struggled. Pedro doesn't garner the amount of attention that torres does to allow villa/ramos to open for a runner. Iniesta, Ramos, Pedro, Villa isn't as strong if you ask me..it does allow for Iniesta/Pedro scoring opportunities but doesn't penetrate the box enough to move xavi and alonso forward enough to strike from the top.
That is Spain's game and playing NL should prove a very difficult time for both teams. I'm calling 2-1 Spain. |
|
|
|
|
