Uruguay / Ghana might be the best game i have seen in all the world cup ! Huge props to both teams. i have a new respect for Ghana
Meat187
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Originally posted by koky69
Uruguay / Ghana might be the best game i have seen in all the world cup !
I still think that might still be Slovakia - Italy, that game got everything. You have the greasy bad guys, who play anti-football but are the reigning world champion. On the other side is the total underdog, a team you wouldn't bet a penny on against Italy. Yet they pull it off and win 3-2 with the last 30 minutes being nerve-rackingly dramatic. :crazy:
4clubber
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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit
suarez.. that ****.. i cant beleive he's actually on the field cheering. They should just give ghana the goal. it was clearly in.
good for suarez! this is the way it goes - i would have been pissed if there was any injustice caused by bad refereeing, but the fact is there wasn't. a player did what he had to for the good of his team, and suffered the consequences. true, what suarez did doesn't display good sportsmanship, but it was a split-second reaction what he did to block the goal, not like he planned it out just to be a dick, and plus - I don't think anyone else in his place would have done anything differently. and i don't think millions or uruguay fans care much about his sportsmanship right now.
it was awesome how he obviously felt bad right after because of the penalty, but as he was going into the dressing rooms the camera showed his reaction to ghana missing and he just exploded with joy ahahhaha it was so awesome
LeopoldStotch
wow a lot of haters, eh?
anyways, congrats to Uruguay. Ghana played terrific defensively for the 1st 120 minutes of the game, and Suarez's handball is something we see in all sports. someone having to go against all odds to save the game for his team. if it's the cheap foul in basketball, handball in front of the goal, or the hit by pitch in baseball. yeah sure there are times it's used improperly, but there are times when you need to do it.
OurManFlint
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Originally posted by 4clubber
a player did what he had to for the good of his team, and suffered the consequences.
Wow, seriously? How can Uruguay take their "victory" seriously. They lost, they should have lost. They advance by cheating. Any way you break it down, they cheated and advanced by cheating.
4clubber
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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
germany tomorrow. COME ON!!!!!!!! i think i'm gonna sacrifice and not go out tonight. it'll be such hell waking up to watch the game otherwise.
haha i'm also on the west coast, it sucks having the game at 7am. but hey, another option is to party all night, watch the game, then go to bed at 9 ;) it's gonna be a tough decision...
4clubber
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Originally posted by OurManFlint
Wow, seriously? How can Uruguay take their "victory" seriously. They lost, they should have lost. They advance by cheating. Any way you break it down, they cheated and advanced by cheating.
and how exactly do you define cheating? by breaking the rules of the game, for which there are perfectly well-defined penalties? by that logic, any time anyone fouls, it's cheating. any time anyone wastes time, it's cheating. but i don't see you blaming teams for winning when they do that - hell, all teams do that. the facts are simple - you break the rules, you suffer the consequences. just because it's in the last seconds of a game and has dire implications doesn't make it any different if you look at it objectively, if you can do that. in the end, justice was served - the player was sent off and a penalty given. for anyone pissed of that ghana didn't win, blame them for missing their penalty - they had the chance to put it away and they screwed it up. harsh, but true.
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i define cheating as in clearly breaking the rules of the game and not getting penalized, or getting penalized when no rules were broken. AKA italy's tactics
OurManFlint
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Originally posted by 4clubber
and how exactly do you define cheating? by breaking the rules of the game, for which there are perfectly well-defined penalties? by that logic, any time anyone fouls, it's cheating. any time anyone wastes time, it's cheating. but i don't see you blaming teams for winning when they do that - hell, all teams do that. the facts are simple - you break the rules, you suffer the consequences. just because it's in the last seconds of a game and has dire implications doesn't make it any different if you look at it objectively, if you can do that. in the end, justice was served - the player was sent off and a penalty given. for anyone pissed of that ghana didn't win, blame them for missing their penalty - they had the chance to put it away and they screwed it up. harsh, but true.
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i define cheating as in clearly breaking the rules of the game and not getting penalized, or getting penalized when no rules were broken. AKA italy's tactics
The consequence is not correlated with the offense and the effect of the offense. Rugby has it right, when a try is blatantly prevented, a try is given. Penalties given in football are given when the player is obstructed in the penalty box, but whether or not they would have scored is questionable. Therefore, the best way of going about it is to give the penalty and a card to the player who committed the offense.
But when you blatantly prevent a definite goal by cheating, the same rules should not apply. In fact, that kind of offense should be treated with the most dire consequences because of the effect it has. There are categories of offenses, and they should not be treated the same. Much like the real world with crimes.
Edited: Of course, whether or not they can see that it was a definite goal at this point without the use of video technology and a referee watching in real time would not be realistic. However, looking at video footage now, FIFA would be able to dish out a consequence that is appropriate.
LAdazeNYnights
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Originally posted by OurManFlint
The consequence is not correlated with the offense and the effect of the offense. Rugby has it right, when a try is blatantly prevented, a try is given. Penalties given in football are given when the player is obstructed in the penalty box, but whether or not they would have scored is questionable. Therefore, the best way of going about it is to give the penalty and a card to the player who committed the offense.
But when you blatantly prevent a definite goal by cheating, the same rules should not apply. In fact, that kind of offense should be treated with the most dire consequences because of the effect it has. There are categories of offenses, and they should not be treated the same. Much like the real world with crimes.
Edited: Of course, whether or not they can see that it was a definite goal at this point without the use of video technology and a referee watching in real time would not be realistic. However, looking at video footage now, FIFA would be able to dish out a consequence that is appropriate.
well said. i think in certain instances - such as the one we saw with suarez today - it's not particularly difficult to see that it would have been a definite goal. the ref easily saw suarez play volleyball.
it really would be difficult to change things though - if it's a definite goal and fifa decides to award goals in those instances then how could one justify it being a red card and a goal all at once?
noikeee
What Suarez did wasn't unsporting, it was clever. It was a desperate attempt to keep his team barely in the game, and it paid off. Everyone would've done that in his position. Epic match, gutted for Gyan but he shown massive balls to be the first to score his penalty afterwards, and with a missile to the top corner! :eek:
What I'm happy for today is for the NETHERLANDS!! Finally the 94 and 98 defeats have been avenged. They weren't fully convincing today, I'm still wondering who the hell was Van Der Wiel marking on the brazilian goal because Robinho was being marked... by Robben. The brazilians were playing great but they completely disappeared in the 2nd half and the Netherlands took the chance.
Now with Uruguay on the semis as the opponent, you'd be confident that they'll make it this time to the finals. Brilliant chance to return to the a World Cup final 32 years later - perhaps to avenge the 1978 defeat to Argentina?
4clubber
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Originally posted by OurManFlint
The consequence is not correlated with the offense and the effect of the offense. Rugby has it right, when a try is blatantly prevented, a try is given. Penalties given in football are given when the player is obstructed in the penalty box, but whether or not they would have scored is questionable. Therefore, the best way of going about it is to give the penalty and a card to the player who committed the offense.
But when you blatantly prevent a definite goal by cheating, the same rules should not apply. In fact, that kind of offense should be treated with the most dire consequences because of the effect it has. There are categories of offenses, and they should not be treated the same. Much like the real world with crimes.
Edited: Of course, whether or not they can see that it was a definite goal at this point without the use of video technology and a referee watching in real time would not be realistic. However, looking at video footage now, FIFA would be able to dish out a consequence that is appropriate.
Look, I agree that in this particular case, the ball was going in. What you're proposing, however, is ludicrous because it would lead to even more questionable calls be referees. Even with video technology, you still can't make such a call consistently. I mean, how sure do you have to be that the ball was going to go in in order to give the greater penalty? 51%? 80%? 99%? Where do you draw the line? There is no good solution to the problem, so at least consistency should be guaranteed. The real problem is in wrong decisions by referees, and that's where the need for technology comes in, which can greatly improve consistency without taking anything away from the game if done right.
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If anyone is to be blamed for any "injustice" done today (even though I disagree there was injustice), it shouldn't be Suarez. The rules and penalties for breaking them are clear to everyone, and the teams and players are free to choose to adhere to them or not - whatever is best for winning the game. Perhaps the rules could have been better to deal with situations like what we saw today, but good luck changing any significant rules in football with these stubborn asses in FIFA.
at the end of the day, I can only refer you to a wise quote from the greatest bulgarian player: "perform the team. play good football. sometimes lun, sometimes win."
djhaziel
I'M super stoked that Uruguay is in the semi final
