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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by inconspicuous
if you're referring to the bill I'm thinking that you are, the issue is not whether or not to leave, but, rather, whether or not to give a definite date of departure. IMO, it would be a pretty boneheaded move to do so, regardless of when we wind up withdrawing. |
The bill is not regarding completely withdrawal, but withdrawal of combat troops.
Americans will be in Iraq for the next decade, no matter what. Congress needs to draw a line in the sand now.
If you aren't hearing what he's saying right now, please don't defend this prick. This speech is without doubt one of the biggest shams of his entire presidency. |
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| stren |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
President Bush is addressing America right now, and I can't even contain my anger.
Summary of entire speech: "The American People are wrong, and I won't endorse their desire to leave Iraq. The rest of the world doesn't get it, so them too. I'll veto anything you throw my way. If you don't like it, we'll invade Iran and Syria too, and see how much you like that."
He also used the phrase "My concern is several."
I ing hate this .
Edit: I genuinely get the feeling that Bush doesn't realize that Congress is completely capable of overruling any decision he makes. |
so its basically a big " you" to the world (america included) I can't wait till the end of his presidency, anyone of the present presidential candidates would be better |
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| inconspicuous |
I'm not defending him, but the point remains, since combat troops are what matter in that equation. All I'm saying is that giving an exact date is a poor decision. That doesn't mean I think we should be there for the next 100 years.
edit: I stopped paying attention to this sort of stuff a few reasons for this exact reason. I hate getting into arguments over it. No one ever changes his mind, everyone gets mad, no policy is affected. Losses all around. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by stren
so its basically a big " you" to the world (america included) I can't wait till the end of his presidency, anyone of the present presidential candidates would be better |
Spot on.
His entire press conference has been about spinning the facts about this bill regarding Iraq withdrawal to make it sound as though we're doing wonderful things in Iraw everyday, and that if we leave, they won't have skittles and cake anymore.
It's ing ridiculous. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by inconspicuous
I'm not defending him, but the point remains, since combat troops are what matter in that equation. All I'm saying is that giving an exact date is a poor decision. That doesn't mean I think we should be there for the next 100 years. |
Why? It isn't until we make an effort to withdraw that the international community is going to offer any help (not to us, but in Iraq) again.
We aren't making things any better by remaining indefinitely. |
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| inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Why? It isn't until we make an effort to withdraw that the international community is going to offer any help again. |
Making an effort is different from saying "we're out by tuesday." I agree we should get out, but I just don't think it should be by a date set in stone. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by inconspicuous
Making an effort is different from saying "we're out by tuesday." |
If you really think that's exactly what this bill would do, you're utterly clueless in the realities of the matter. |
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| inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
If you really think that's exactly what this bill would do, you're utterly clueless in the realities of the matter. |
fair enough. That's why I said "if it is what I think it is." If it isn't, I take it all back. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by inconspicuous
fair enough. That's why I said "if it is what I think it is." If it isn't, I take it all back. |
The bill itself would guarantee far more humanitarian aid funding than is already available to Americans working in Iraq, would still keep a significant number of American military personel in Iraq for years to come, and would open the door to U.N. peace keeping forces to enter and begin a multilateral attempt at rebuilding Iraq, instead of the unilateral approach we've taken for the last 4 years.
The Bush White House and some media are attempting to spin it as "cut & run," when in truth, it's anything but. |
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| inconspicuous |
| well, if it means setting an exact date, then I stand by what I said, since you could make that exact bill without setting a date--doesn't have to be all or nothing. If it doesn't, I'd have to read the thing to decide, and I won't bother, so I won't comment. |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by inconspicuous
well, if it means setting an exact date, then I stand by what I said, since you could make that exact bill without setting a date--doesn't have to be all or nothing. If it doesn't, I'd have to read the thing to decide, and I won't bother, so I won't comment. |
It sets several dates, none of which are dates where every American person and dollar leaves Iraq.
I don't see the problem. |
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| inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
It sets several dates, none of which are dates where every American person and dollar leaves Iraq.
I don't see the problem. |
all that would happen is that everything would go dead for a while, & we'd leave with it ready to explode the minute we leave. If it sets a date for removing combat troops, it's a bad idea, no matter how good the rest of it may be. |
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