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WIP thread (DJRYAN now allowed to post tracks) (pg. 211)
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
Thanks for completely skipping through my tracks. ;) |
I didn't know what to say as I am so out of touch with acid style. I loved some Billy Nasty from back in the day and of course the opening tune from Blade1. I took a listen again to yours just now, sound ok but not really grabbing the attention.
I always feels these acid tracks get ruined when the 303 filters are opened and the resonance pierces the skull. Would pref a much more closed 303 sound all the way through. |
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| deegee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
Firstly thanks for listening to mine - I have been toying with the idea of layering them with a less processed background choir vocal but I'm in 2 minds about it. I think hatz are a bit loud now (too quiet before)?
YOUR TRACK - what a nice opening you have here, it's sound nicely mixed and I dig the slightly retro sound choices a lot.
I'll be honest it's a great foundation for a track but I don't like where it goes after the minute or so intro, that guitar type sound for me is far too repetitive and the choir pad is too basic and obvious, I wanted you to continue with the dancey feel, I was expecting interestingly timed stab type sounds to be the main parts, not this choir and guitar, but as ever this is only a taste judgement, others may think differently.
Good work though. |
Shanks mang! Funny how it turned out to sound like a choir... that's four or five different pad sounds layered and filtered together, ha.
I'm going to fiddle around with some stabby stab stab sounds and see what happens. The retro thing is basically because I'm old. |
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| deegee |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
Thanks for completely skipping through my tracks. ;) |
Ok I had a listen. Bear in mind that oldschool techno isn't really my thing (I'll usually go for realllllllllly ultra minimal if I'm going there), so maybe I'm missing the point.
- there's no tension. Trance may be the extreme end of the dance music build/break/release pattern, but all music thrives on the building and release of tension. It's just sort of... here's a loop, 16 bars, here's another. With little-to-no variation, you're missing even little attempts to provide resolutions. You could even try varying every eighth bar of your acid--reverse the pattern or chop it up or fiddle with your cutoff and q.
- you could go the totally opposite direction and aim for more hypnotic, but for that you're going to need to rely on much longer transitions between phrases.
- your transitions are kind of blunt. one of the things about the tension/resolution structure is that every time you resolve, it gives you a natural point to introduce something new.
- The LFO on your filter starting right at the beginning never varies; try playing with it a bit to introduce that tension. It's a fun acid line, so mess with it. Stretch it out, futz around with its speed every 8 or 16 bars, something
- There's sort of a stilted stuttery feel to the perc section. Feels a little bit like that big room Martin Garrix thing without ever quite getting there
I think what I'm trying to say is that the track doesn't quite seem to commit to being any one thing. It's not varied enough to be in your face blistery acid tech, not relaxed enough to be something more minimal and hypnotic. Try pushing way way way too far in one direction, then dial it back to where it's just right. The bones are good, just needs some fluffing here and there. |
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| deegee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Robotrance
the complete lack of any stereo elements. |
Huh. Yeah. There was something missing but I couldn't articulate it, and that's exactly it. |
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| BshidoHEAT |
| quote: | Originally posted by deegee
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Thanks for listening! I appreciate the feed back. Heck I agree with some of it, the whole time I was making this I've been thinking of ways to add more elements, especially the way the track drives and moves I think it stays in one pace most of the time. I think a longer breakdown would help with that but I'm not a huge fan of huge breakdowns.
I'm still working on it, piece by piece. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| Thanks for listening and commenting, guys. It was an old live jam of over 40 minutes that I tried to edit into a single, short track, so I was wondering whether the transitions feel smooth or rather blunt. Unfortunately the track automatically recorded in Mono instead of in Stereo because apparently there was no longer enough room on my Tascam SD card. I thought it might still retain that oldschool raw, analog feeling because of this, but it would certainly have sounded better in Stereo. Ahh well. |
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| BshidoHEAT |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by BshidoHEAT
After a long time out of the game, I'm trying to take it up again. This is a remix of Cryophonik's old track from way back. |
tis ok, dont really like the snare |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by deegee
I can't really comment on the track because it's not in a style I really enjoy so I don't think I could be useful. Production seems tight though--and I looooooooove the vocal. Overprocessed for my taste but I like it a lot.
- the clap or snare is distorted in a way that just doesn't work with the rest of the track. try softening it out a bit--it punches too much through the mix for me. After the breakdown it's much better.
- I like that pad/synth sound that shows up around 0:50. Sounds very smooth, for lack of a better term. Probably something I'd fix on if I were hearing it on a dancefloor.
- the off-8 blip at the beginning is just distracting, doesn't feel like it's sitting in the mix
- the vocals also don't feel like they're sitting in the mix--too front and centre. It's a little bit better when the vocal first enters during the breakdown
- I like the breakbeat in the breakdown, though there's some weird stuttering? I'd turn the whole phrase with the kick-snare-kick-snare into a breakbeat
Other than that this feels like it's got some great pieces, but it doesn't feel like it goes much of anywhere. There's no real energy buildup or release, not even just sort of a relentless/driving/hypnotic feel to fit in a set somewhere. I'd like to feel more of a splash when the vocals kick in, you know? Don't get me wrong, I don't think this is terrible; as said above the basic structure is there, just needs some shaping.
Anyone care to have a go at this WIP? I'm mainly at the stage where I'm endlessly fussing with tiny things so I can avoid doing a final mixdown. I'm aware some of the EQ needs work--waiting for some time with a friend's good monitors. Thoughts, anyone? Don't hold back.
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volume is seriously low for some reason, anyway, not sure that kick fits this track, sounds more like a big techno kick, wouldnt be a fan of the overall style of the track, sorry |
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| deegee |
| Well yeah, it's not mastered. Do you have anything useful to say? I'm not really sure "I don't like this style" is a useful review. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| deegee, I really liked your track. It reminds me of something J00f might've spun back in the day. The atmospheric synth reminds me of M.I.K.E.'s stuff. The kick drum at around 6 mins is superfluous - it sounds like 2 tracks in one. I would also consider using a fuller, more booming kick, and I would definitely like to hear a "louder," mastered version. Just beef it up and shorten it, and I think it might even work wonders on the dancefloor. Definitely something to release once it's complete. Also not really crazy about the buildup at around 7:20-7:26, might want to do without or change that loop, but it's up to you. |
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