Originally posted by Prometheus Xex
Here's another reason I'm hating Apple more and more! What happens if someone bought a 3GS phone 1 month before the I4 came out? Is Apple basically saying ,"thanks for your business, but you! We don't really give a rat's ass about our 3GS users any more. So go out and by the I4 now you dumb-ass."
Am I being too harsh?
Regarding - MobileMe Device Removal
It's a very good idea tbh, benifits Apple big time (minizing jailbreaking & unlocking if that service is enabled) and also the users who sells their units and forget to wipe out their data. i've done it 2x in the past, doing a warrenty swap and left my data on them. *I mean if you do need to sell it jailbroken, just wipe it and do a fresh user and it benefits you too, if your timing is right lol*
You shouldn't hate Apple for this reason, it's kinda your fault for not doing the homework tbh. Seems like you hate Apple over little things that can be prevented very easily.
There are hardware limitations to the previous gen of the iPhones and there some tiny little unfair treatment too. But you shouldn't hate any company over this.
Imagine you with Android? You'll be waiting months or years to obtain a legit ver of a firmware update or you could go the "rooting" path (aka jailbreak) and loose your warranty. To use Android at its full potential, you must use the latest firmware Google seeds out. Or else you're stuck with some ancient OS with very limited functions for a very long time. (I'm still in shock with the Sony Ericsson x10, shipped with 1.6 and waited almost 1 1/5 yrs to get 2.1, which is outdate since 2.2 and now 2.3 is out. Also recently, they just got pinch to zoom) Downgrading Android's firmware is not as easy as ours and you can really brick the thing. Which is impossible with an iPhone, unless you're messing with some serious coding like our dear friends, the Dev Team & etc. Don't get me wrong; I like Android, but there's a lot of problems with them too and that fragmentation they have is a major bust.
Look how long its taking Windows Phone 7 to get the next firmware update? Which will include copy and paste for them :)
Back on topic, obtaining info on the new iPhone is very easy, a quick search on google can help you or ask someone on a forum.
Everyone knows the refresh cycle is June - July for the iPhones by now I hope. It's been almost 5 years now.
True Story: My paintless dent removal tech got a 3GS May last year, I told him to return it asap and the new IP4 is on the way. Lucky for him, just made it in time for the return.
*** We all have to face hardware and software limitations when we are behind one generation of any hardware, regardless what manufacture we decide to go with. ***
Prometheus Xex
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Originally posted by E2EK1EL
Regarding - MobileMe Device Removal
... benefits Apple big time ...
Precisely!
You might say I'm nitpicking and I should have done my research, but I bought my phone about 8 months before the I4 came out. I just don't like the feeling of a sheep being corralled into a tight narrow pathway, being led to do whatever master wants.
Although you tried to argue the point of why MobileMe won't work for 3GS users, it doesn't sit well for me. We know it will work because an I4 user can add their 3GS device to the list of devices to track. An i4 user can sell their device just like a 3GS user and want to wipe data (if they forgot). Is the I4 users data or their phone (for locating) more important than a 3GS user? No. An I4 user can still JB their phone but yet still enjoy having the use of the Find My Phone app. Where's the deterrent you speak of to help stem JBing?
I can understand limiting support for the 2G users (due to age), but the I4 is not superior by leaps and bounds over the 3GS. Yes it has some extra features (camera, HD, and screen display) but the 3GS seems like a comes in at a very good close second to it. So why the tactics to turn the other cheek on us users who have a phone that is still very usable for some time to come?
E2EK1EL
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Originally posted by Prometheus Xex
Precisely!
You might say I'm nitpicking and I should have done my research, but I bought my phone about 8 months before the I4 came out. I just don't like the feeling of a sheep being corralled into a tight narrow pathway, being led to do whatever master wants.
Although you tried to argue the point of why MobileMe won't work for 3GS users, it doesn't sit well for me. We know it will work because an I4 user can add their 3GS device to the list of devices to track. An i4 user can sell their device just like a 3GS user and want to wipe data (if they forgot). Is the I4 users data or their phone (for locating) more important than a 3GS user? No. An I4 user can still JB their phone but yet still enjoy having the use of the Find My Phone app. Where's the deterrent you speak of to help stem JBing?
I can understand limiting support for the 2G users (due to age), but the I4 is not superior by leaps and bounds over the 3GS. Yes it has some extra features (camera, HD, and screen display) but the 3GS seems like a comes in at a very good close second to it. So why the tactics to turn the other cheek on us users who have a phone that is still very usable for some time to come?
Yes the MobileMe limitation is unfair, but I'm sorry to tell you though ...
The IP4 is destorys the 3GS in many ways, I don't know why you can't see that.
GGM
Apple wants you to feel like your 3GS is an outdated piece of crap so you buy the 4. Plain and simple...
Same thing as we all remember when Office 2007 came out and .docx files wouldn't open with previous versions. There was no genuine reason for it other than to force people into buying the latest. Apple is no better than MS they're just more innovative and market themselves differently. Their core business practices are similar though.
Nick Cenik
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Originally posted by GGM
Apple wants you to feel like your 3GS is an outdated piece of crap so you buy the 4. Plain and simple...
Same thing as we all remember when Office 2007 came out and .docx files wouldn't open with previous versions. There was no genuine reason for it other than to force people into buying the latest. Apple is no better than MS they're just more innovative and market themselves differently. Their core business practices are similar though.
One can set the newer versions of Office to safe files as .doc by default.
Prometheus Xex
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Originally posted by GGM
Apple wants you to feel like your 3GS is an outdated piece of crap so you buy the 4. Plain and simple...
+10000000000
GGM
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Originally posted by Nick Cenik
One can set the newer versions of Office to safe files as .doc by default.
This is true. And eventually after massive complaints they came out with a free patch for older versions to open .docx as well.
But the fact is that the free patch for older versions could've/should've been released at the same time as Office 2007. Or even better yet, do what good developers do and make any new format backwards compatible. They easily could've avoided that issue but didn't so that people felt compelled to upgrade. Same deal as the Apple remote wipe feature.
E2EK1EL
Judge Orders Geohot to Let Sony Inspect His Hard Drive
U.S. District Judge Susan Illston has ruled that Sony will be allowed access to Geohot's hard drive, according to a Wired report.
When Geohot's lawyer object saying that Sony would be able to view all his other files, Illston replied, "That's the breaks".
Illston informed Kellar that it was routine for the entire contents of computers to be searched in a bid to isolate what is being sought, as in child pornography prosecutions.
Kellar: "Your honor, we're certainly not dealing with child pornography in this issue,"
Illston: "Here, I find probable cause that your client has got these things on his computer," she said. "It's a problem when more than one thing is kept on the computer. I’ll make sure the order is and will be that Sony is only entitled to isolate … the information on the computer that relates to the hacking of the PlayStation."
Sony is also demanding that YouTube surrender the personal information of those who viewed Geohot's PS3 jailbreak video on a private page.
VERTiG0
Well I jailbroke my iPhone 4 last night for PDANet and My3G. Awesome.
E2EK1EL
Nokia to adopt Windows Phone as smartphone operating system
Ladies and gentlemen, it?s official. In a press release today, Microsoft and Nokia announced ?plans to form a broad strategic partnership that would use their complementary strengths and expertise to create a new global mobile ecosystem.? This partnership will see Nokia, the world?s largest phone manufacturer, adopt Windows Phone as its ?principle smartphone strategy? and the two companies will collaborate on marketing, search, maps, and development.
?Today, developers, operators and consumers want compelling mobile products, which include not only the device, but the software, services, applications and customer support that make a great experience,? said Stephen Elop, Nokia President and CEO. ?Nokia and Microsoft will combine our strengths to deliver an ecosystem with unrivalled global reach and scale. It?s now a three-horse race.?
This certainly does bolster the global position of Microsoft?s Windows Phone operating system. The two companies are hosting a live press conference at 5AM ET. The live video feed and aforementioned press release are waiting for you after the break.
Nokia and Microsoft Announce Plans for a Broad Strategic Partnership to Build a New Global Mobile Ecosystem
Companies plan to combine assets and develop innovative mobile products on an unprecedented scale.
LONDON ? Feb. 11, 2011 ? Nokia and Microsoft today announced plans to form a broad strategic partnership that would use their complementary strengths and expertise to create a new global mobile ecosystem.
Nokia and Microsoft intend to jointly create market-leading mobile products and services designed to offer consumers, operators and developers unrivalled choice and opportunity. As each company would focus on its core competencies, the partnership would create the opportunity for rapid time to market execution. Additionally, Nokia and Microsoft plan to work together to integrate key assets and create completely new service offerings, while extending established products and services to new markets.
?Nokia would adopt Windows Phone as its principal smartphone strategy, innovating on top of the platform in areas such as imaging, where Nokia is a market leader.
?Nokia would help drive the future of Windows Phone. Nokia would contribute its expertise on hardware design, language support, and help bring Windows Phone to a larger range of price points, market segments and geographies.
?Nokia and Microsoft would closely collaborate on joint marketing initiatives and a shared development roadmap to align on the future evolution of mobile products.
?Bing would power Nokia?s search services across Nokia devices and services, giving customers access to Bing?s next generation search capabilities. Microsoft adCenter would provide search advertising services on Nokia?s line of devices and services.
?Nokia Maps would be a core part of Microsoft?s mapping services. For example, Maps would be integrated with Microsoft?s Bing search engine and adCenter advertising platform to form a unique local search and advertising experience
?Nokia?s extensive operator billing agreements would make it easier for consumers to purchase Nokia Windows Phone services in countries where credit-card use is low.
?Microsoft development tools would be used to create applications to run on Nokia Windows Phones, allowing developers to easily leverage the ecosystem?s global reach.
?Nokia?s content and application store would be integrated with Microsoft Marketplace for a more compelling consumer experience.
?Today, developers, operators and consumers want compelling mobile products, which include not only the device, but the software, services, applications and customer support that make a great experience,? Stephen Elop, Nokia President and CEO, said at a joint news conference in London. ?Nokia and Microsoft will combine our strengths to deliver an ecosystem with unrivalled global reach and scale. It?s now a three-horse race.?
?I am excited about this partnership with Nokia,? said Steven A. Ballmer, Microsoft CEO. ?Ecosystems thrive when fueled by speed, innovation and scale.The partnership announced today provides incredible scale, vast expertise in hardware and software innovation and a proven ability to execute.?
Nokia workers mourn death of Symbian, thousands walk out
We know how you feel about the apparent death of Symbian, and you had to figure that those most affected by it wouldn't be feeling too good either. Those people are, of course, the 1,500-odd workers at Nokia's Tampere office who have crafted the OS through the years, over a thousand of whom apparently walked away from their jobs today as a sort of non-violent protest -- or maybe just to get a preview of what their Friday afternoons will look like once Elop starts dropping the axe. It should be noted that they used their flexible work schedules to enable this, so this is one orderly bit of social dissonance that shouldn't result in any accelerations of whatever layoffs are to come.
Added; 02.12.11
Nokia USA president is out, replaced by Microsoft vet Chris Weber as Elopocalypse continues
Conspiracy theorists unite: Nokia's replaced another prominent executive with a former Microsoft employee. In this case, it's the head of Nokia's entire US division that's being oustered, as 15-year Microsoft sales and marketing veteran Chris Weber replaces Nokia Inc. president Mark Louison effective immediately. Mark will "pursue new career opportunities" while Weber takes the reins, as well as the somewhat unenviable role of rejuvenating Nokia's smartphone brand in the United States. Still, we imagine he'll have plenty of help, as he'll be working very, very closely with his alma mater in the months to come -- and the designs practically sell themselves. PR after the break.
layoffs are to come.
malek
Wasn't nokia using a flavour of Linux (maemo)? That's a slap to the face of the linux community.
E2EK1EL
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Originally posted by malek
Wasn't nokia using a flavour of Linux (maemo)? That's a slap to the face of the linux community.
It was Maemo 5 and now renamed to MeeGo for ver 6.
EDIT: Ironic you've asked this ...
Nokia's marginalization of MeeGo came as a surprise to Intel
Yesterday's announcement by Nokia that it's switching to Windows Phone 7 as its primary smartphone platform has already had, and will continue to have, great repercussions for plenty of parties besides the Finnish company and its new best bud Microsoft. One of the biggest effects of that deal was that Nokia now no longer considers MeeGo -- the open-source OS it was co-developing with Intel -- an item of priority, classifying it as a "learning project." No prizes for guessing Intel's nowhere near happy about that, but would you have also guessed Nokia kept Chipzilla in the dark about its new direction until the day it announced it to the world? Such is the word from TechCrunch's well placed sources, who also say that Nokia dedicated only a three-man external team to the development of UI customizations for MeeGo. Not exactly the hugest investment in the world, we'd say, and when you consider Nokia and Microsoft already have concept devices drawn up, you've got to think plans to abandon MeeGo as a sincere flagship strategy were materializing in Espoo a long time before this event. It would probably have been nice to tell Intel, though, just to be classy. Hit the source link for more detail, including confirmation that Nokia's N9-00, its first planned MeeGo device, was canned -- apparently due to complaints from operators about its hinge.
