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TOTA - APPLE iPHONE & iPAD & Mobile News Thread PT1 (CLOSED) (pg. 489)
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| CAKE |
| No LTE or 4G or HSPA were i'm lost i don't want to interest .... |
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| Prometheus Xex |
| Siri is software dependent, not hardware dependent? As in us IP4 peeps can make use of this? (You better give me the answer I'm want! LOL) |
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| Nerologic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Prometheus Xex
Siri is software dependent, not hardware dependent? As in us IP4 peeps can make use of this? (You better give me the answer I'm want! LOL) |
It's only a matter of time before they figure out how to install it on an i4... |
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| E2EK1EL |
Watching the keynote now, Tim cook isn't that great of a speaker. He was pretty nervous from his scruff voice, I would have been 100x worst then that.
It's too bad he's voice is so monotone and made me fall a sleep.
 
That's all folks, my iOS5 album is completed.
Hope you've enjoyed it, GM build is so buttery smooth. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by jester
Thing is, Apple could drop this right now and actually release the iPhone 5 in like 3-6 months to throw people off base. Similar to what they did with the iPad and iPad 2.
Count the iPhone 4S as a filler. They just want to see what Google-Samsung has up their sleeve next week, thats my feeling on the situation.
Only thing that I like about the new iPhone, is Siri. It for sure puts Google voice-search to shame.
I still would like to see a comparison between the iPhone 4 vs. iPhone 4S vs. Galaxy S2 LTE HD. |
Why would they burn themselves and drop the iPhone 5 right away when the iPhone4 is ahead of the game, and now with the 4S, they leapt even further ahead!
It's all about marketing, and you need to keep a joker in your pocket for the right time.
I'll get the iPhone4S as soon as possible, my 3GS is prehistoric compared to the stuff in the new iPhone.
Plus that camera looks amazing compared to what I have in the 3GS... I can't carry a regular camera with me all the time, especially if I want to take those precious moments with the kids. |
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| Flec |
Galaxy S2 LTE vs Iphone4S both being released within a week or so of each other, probably at a similar price point.
if i dont care to stay with an apple ( have a pc at home) is this a no brainer to go samsung? |
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| GGM |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
Why would they burn themselves and drop the iPhone 5 right away when the iPhone4 is ahead of the game, and now with the 4S, they leapt even further ahead!
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I think that's why their stock dropped and people were overall bummed out though, cause the 4S really falls behind the competition in terms of specs. People were assuming that given the extra time till release + all the ground gained by Android that Apple would fire back head on by releasing the 5 and matching their efforts. It also raises the question that although it's a safe bet the 5 will be a beast, if they push back the release much more will it be able to compete with whats out there?
I know it's got a dual core A5 and good graphics performance, but on paper it's not miles ahead of BlackBerry's latest releases spec wise when you compare it to previous iPhone releases and how they measured up.
This Samsung vs Apple lawsuits thing is really heating up...
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Samsung moves to ban the new iPhone 4S in France and Italy
Samsung's lawyers have been after the next generation iPhone for weeks now and after yesterday's official announcement, they've upped the ante. They've filed preliminary injunction motions to stop the 4S from selling in France and Italy, claiming patent infringement.
The iPhone 4S is supposed to go on sale on October 18 in France and on October 28 in Italy. Not if Samsung has its way. They claim Apple violates two of their WCDMA patents regarding 3G, calling it essential for the functioning of Apple's new smartphone.
Here's a quote:
"The infringed technology is essential to the reliable functioning of telecom networks and devices and Samsung believes that Apple’s violation as being too severe and that the iPhone 4S should be barred from sales.
Apple has continued to flagrantly violate our intellectual property rights and free ride on our technology. We believe it is now necessary to take legal action to protect our innovation."
Samsung will probably be filing more injunction motions in more countries, following some review (or maybe they're just holding off a bit to build up tension or something).
This is part of a long, long patent battle between Apple and Samsung, which covers pretty much the entire world. It's been tablets mostly so far, but the two companies are really getting at each other's throats. |
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| E2EK1EL |
This carrier build is super fast, iMessage now detects within 1/4 of a second. |
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| E2EK1EL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Flec
Galaxy S2 LTE vs Iphone4S both being released within a week or so of each other, probably at a similar price point.
if i dont care to stay with an apple ( have a pc at home) is this a no brainer to go samsung? |
B/C you are the party of the Happy Meal Crew back in the days, I'll answer this for you :)
Don't bother with the S2 LTE, it's all about Nexus Prime for Android. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by E2EK1EL
Don't bother with the S2 LTE, it's all about Nexus Prime for Android. |
Agreed. Same or better hardware, no Samsung software. |
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| E2EK1EL |
Apple’s fall from grace
Apple was a company that could do no wrong. Phones that dropped every other call… Location tracking scandals… Antennagate… A CEO who constantly parked his $130,000 sports car diagonally in handicapped spaces… Apple didn’t have to roll with the punches, the company would simply laugh at the punches or toss the press and public a few crumbs if need be. A week or even a day later, all was forgiven and Apple would continue on its path, making terrific products and mopping up industry profits while whistling to itself contently.
On Tuesday when Apple unveiled its brand new iPhone 4S, the fifth iteration of Apple’s revolutionary smartphone, things felt different. The company’s iconic co-founder was nowhere to be found, the venue was smaller, the applause seemed reticent and the product unveiled was not greeted with arms open quite as widely as they had been in the past. People seemed, in a way, bored.
Reactions from those who spent time with the device at Apple’s press conference were positive, of course, but it didn’t feel the same. What was different this time around? Members of the press and many consumers following the event felt that we were looking at a possible miss from the great Apple. Beyond nitpicking and whining about insignificant specs or other irrelevancies, many level-headed writers and pundits genuinely seemed to think that the iPhone 4S might be the beginning of the end.
Yes, investors were seemingly disappointed by Tuesday’s announcements, but this is hardly uncommon. Buy the rumor, sell the news. That Apple only closed down half a percent on Tuesday exhibits confidence in the company’s management, strategy and portfolio more than it does disappointment in the iPhone 4S.
And what about analysts? The finance crowd adores Apple, so they must have been jumping up and down in their penthouses, right?
“Apple no longer has a leading edge, its cloud service is even behind Android; it can only sell on brand loyalty now,” Gartner analyst C.K. Lu told Reuters on Wednesday. “Users may wait to buy the next iPhone; if they can’t wait, they may shift to brands with more advanced specs.”
“We had expected the company to announce two new devices, an iPhone 5 and a 4-plus,” JP Morgan analyst Mark Moskowitz wrote in a note to investors. “We are disappointed that Apple did not introduce a thinner form factor, but we see the feature set improvements in the iPhone 4S and the broader pricing strategy as positives.”
Yes, we’re seeing some negative takes on the news, but have we seen any big names revise their estimates downward significantly? Of course not. Even analysts who were hugely bullish on a redesigned iPhone 5 are still confident that Apple’s reign will continue.
We’ve seen no real negative revisions on revenue projections either. In fact, Apple’s free iPhone 3GS and its $99 iPhone 4 have had the opposite effect in some cases. RBC Capital Markets analyst Mike Abramsky, for example, wrote in a note Wednesday morning that Apple’s $0 3GS “may double Apple’s global addressable market, and may help address rising mid-market Android competition.”
And some analysts such as Wedge Partners’ Brian Blair had already modeled for this scenario. Blair, as some might recall,_hit the nail on the head late last month. “We expect the focus of the new iPhone will be iOS 5, a speedier A5 processor and a higher resolution 8 MP camera with a small possibility of a larger 4 inch screen,” the analyst wrote in a research note on September 21st. Blair saw Apple selling 91 million iPhones this calendar year, and that staggering sum remains unchanged.
Some analysts even think the iPhone 4S and new cheaper iPhones 4 and 3GS will drive sales that exceed already-lofty projections. “While the moderate changes to the iPhone 4S might not drive the type of upgrade cycle that was seen by the iPhone 4, the lower prices of legacy models and broader availability on more carriers are still likely to deliver calendar Q4 phones sales in excess of our 21.5 million estimate,” BTIG analyst Walter Piecyk wrote on Wednesday.
But an interesting takeaway from yesterday’s announcement may simply be that Apple has fallen from grace in some respects. Apple is_fallible, even if the 4S ends up being a success._A company that could do no wrong in recent history just, well, did wrong in the eyes of pundits who had previously viewed every Apple product announcement as a gift from the heavens.
It should have been bigger. It should have been better. It should have been more Appley.
There were skeptics after Apple unveiled the iPhone in 2007, and after the iPhones 3G, 3GS and 4 as well. But yesterday’s skeptics took a different tone. They didn’t wonder if Apple could succeed or nervously whine about missing features, they collectively shouted that Apple had lost its mojo.
But then there’s the imminent reality check. And from where I’m sitting, the iPhone 4S is oozing with mojo.
Apple’s iPhone 4 provides the most silky smooth user experience on the planet with the firm’s A4 processor running the show. The more powerful dual-core A5 chipset from Apple’s iPad 2 should somehow improve on that already-phenomenal experience, and it will empower Apple’s new golden child, Siri.
It should be noted that I was hugely skeptical of Siri’s significance ahead of Apple’s event on Tuesday, but I’m now singing a different tune. I think the concept and technology behind Apple’s new personal assistant service are phenomenal, and while Siri might not be a huge draw for consumers in the near term, the long-term implications are tremendous. Apple just made smartphones_much, much smarter.
On the outside, there is no question that the iPhone 4S is the same device as its predecessor. It might have a revised antenna system, but the similarities are so great that Apple had to include the Newsstand icon in marketing images depicting the phone’s home screen as no distinction would be made otherwise. But is that such a bad thing? The iPhone 4 is still an engineering feat, and I’m not sure a more attractive smartphone exists to this day.
Naysayers said Apple couldn’t cut it selling just one or two smartphone models, and now Apple owns two-thirds of global smartphone industry profits. Led by Apple’s gray-haired iPhone 4, which launched in June 2010, Apple sold more smartphones last quarter than any other vendor on the planet.
The numbers will do the talking over the next few quarters, and I expect Apple’s iPhone sales to continue on the same skyward path right up to next year’s iPhone 5 launch and beyond. As of October 12th, Apple will sell three different smartphone models that range in price from free to $399. The company will address postpaid smartphone buyers from top to bottom, and rumors suggest we may even see an attack on the prepaid market in the near future. No company stays on top forever, of course, but Apple’s new smartphone lineup is hardly that of a company that has begun its descent.
Apple may have fallen from grace in a way, but until competitors can even come close to approaching the allure surrounding Apple devices and the user experiences they afford, don’t expect the company’s grip on the industry to loosen at all.
Apple’s rise to greatness
People are disappointed. What else can I say? With all of the hype, and even our own reporting, Apple should have released a real iPhone 5. But it didn’t, and the fact that Apple is releasing the same exact model with internal upgrades is upsetting to a lot of people. You know what, though? The overwhelming majority of people probably couldn’t care less.
Let’s look outside the bubble and think about the general consumer. Apple introduced a new phone that’s upwards of twice as fast as its predecessor, has better graphics performance than any other portable gaming device, features an upgraded camera that can take photos as good as a stand-alone camera, and capture video that’s better than a Flip camcorder. One device that works anywhere in the world with even better battery life, the ability to display your photos, videos, games, web browsing and more on your big screen HDTV, and a revolutionary virtual private assistant that can find you places to eat, book calendar appointments for you, read and reply to all of your messages and emails, and look up the answer to practically any question for you.
Who’s disappointed again?
To the general consumer, Apple just made the best-selling — and let me add, best — smartphone in the world leaps and bounds better. The design of the original iPhone 4 is not only an engineering feat but a design masterpiece, and there’s no reason why we should expect a brand new case for every phone Apple releases. Has the exterior of the MacBook Pro changed dramatically in the last few years? Has the exterior of an iMac changed dramatically in the last few years?
The hype machine was out of control this time around, and many people in the tech world wanted Apple to not only hit a home run, we wanted the company to hit it out of the park because we’re used to Apple doing that. In reality however, Apple did hit it out of the park, and we’ll all get to see it in the sales numbers of the iPhone 4S, which will be the best smartphone Apple’s ever made, and best smartphone in the world.
By offering the iPhone 3GS free on contract, the iPhone 4 for $99 on contract, and the iPhone 4S starting at $199 on contract, there isn’t any reason to buy a competitor’s phone anymore. With iCloud, iOS 5 and all of Apple’s new features and services, Apple isn’t treading water, it’s making the water evaporate while its competitors still try to match its innovation in hardware, software, ecosystem, apps and services.
Being available at three major carriers in the U.S. is also huge. With AT&T, Verizon Wireless and Sprint all offering the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S starting October 14th, in addition to the global launch, I think we’ll see that only a very small minority of people (who are probably still going to buy the iPhone 4S anyway) were disappointed. Consumers in general, however, will be in line with a latte and cinnamon swirl coffee cake waiting for the stores to open at 8:00 a.m.
(Both article from BGR, make up your mind guys. www.bgr.com) |
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| jester |
The iPhone 4S performance will probably be similar to the iPad 2 or maybe a little less.. So Samsung-Google need something to upstage Apple. Thing is the reports on the Exynos, it will be likely 50% more powerful over the Galaxy SII. Even at that the iPhone 4S is like 148.2 vs Samsung Nexus Prime which might be like 100.65. Even if Samsung found a way to double the performance it just give them 134.2. We will have to see the real world tests though.
The iPhone 4S still has an amazing display compared to the other phones on the market.
Anyways 6 days until we see Google-Samsung pull a rabbit out of their hat.
GLBenchmark
Nexus One -- unknown (January 2010)
Nexus S -- 24.3 (December 2010)
Nexus Prime -- 100.65 (theory) (October/November 2011)
Nexus Prime might just be 4.15 times more powerful over the Nexus S. Thing is if you compare the Nexus Prime over the Nexus One, it will be really quite impressive.
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iPhone 4 -- 15.3 (June 2010)
iPhone 4S -- 148.2 (theory) (October 2011)
iPhone 4S is like almost 9.7 times more powerful over the iPhone 4. |
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