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Workout Thread IV (pg. 121)
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| Orbax |
lack of soreness is either from too hard of a workout (not sore for day after because they are still in shock and then 2 days later its pure hell) or just not hard enough. I know ive over trained when it takes 2 days to get sore.
Rest, eat well, hit them after at least 2-3 nights of rest. 4-5 for legs.
Seems to work alright |
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| chimera66 |
| you shouldn't be sore every time you work out though,you can "feel" the burn while working out and not be sore the next day. i think there must be a problem if you are continually sore from working out but that's just my opinion |
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| Massive84 |
| quote: | Originally posted by chimera66
i didn't go to the gym today i feel like @ss
i know eating well helps but i didn't know it had anything to do with soreness. |
Vitamine C is quite important as well against sorness. Infact it is one of the major factors.
Fanatic bodybuilders need 1 gram a day at least. |
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| noikeee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
lack of soreness is either from too hard of a workout (not sore for day after because they are still in shock and then 2 days later its pure hell) or just not hard enough. I know ive over trained when it takes 2 days to get sore.
Rest, eat well, hit them after at least 2-3 nights of rest. 4-5 for legs.
Seems to work alright |
so far i've always been sore the most 2 days after working out, does this mean i'm overtraining? |
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| Orbax |
if you work out at 2pm and the next day at 2pm you still arent feeling it and then the NEXT day...I dunno ive always felt that was over training. Im usually a little sore after the first night. When I feel like I could hit it again (until i flex the muscle and its got 0 energy) it tells me ive been hitting it too hard.
but thats just me. It might be a good thing, but it s up my sleep so for me its a bad thing |
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| OrZonE |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
if you work out at 2pm and the next day at 2pm you still arent feeling it and then the NEXT day...I dunno ive always felt that was over training. Im usually a little sore after the first night. When I feel like I could hit it again (until i flex the muscle and its got 0 energy) it tells me ive been hitting it too hard. |
The soreness is like that for me only when I've take more than a 9 day break from my routine - starts on the 2nd day. If I've taken a 2+ week break and go full throttle, that muscle group is usually out of commission for the next 4 days |
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| positronicbrain |
To those guys who complain about deadlifts because of their lower back, well, you probably are deadlifting wrong. If you ask any professional deadlifter they will tell you that deadlifts are not an exercise for your back at all. When you do a proper deadlift your lower back is to be used as minimally as possible. Deadlifting is less about lifting with the back and more about pulling/pushing with the glutes, quads, and hamstrings. If you just can't avoid using your lower back a lot, you are probably using poor form or too much weight. Go lighter and perfect your form first, then increase as you get stronger.
I have a lower back that aches as much or more on the day after leg day than my legs do. Squats are killer on my lower back. But I just did deadlifts today and it feels about the same as before I went to the gym. The key things to remember about doing the deadlift are to keep your back straight, shoulders back, heels on the floor, arms straight, head up, and bar very close to your shins if not scraping up your shins on the first part of the movement. I've bloodied the bar before, and people get scars, but it's the right way. A wider stance may help stability as well. Try to squat low when you're in the starting position, so that your back is at more of a perpendicular angle to the floor, and try to keep your back at that angle until you stand up and throw your shoulders back. And try not to end up in a 'good morning' position by pushing your ass up with your legs too fast during the first part of the movement. Never, ever arch your back forward. If you feel your back arching, LET GO OF THE BAR IMMEDIATELY.
All of the things that you have to keep in mind to deadlift correctly you are doing for one purpose: To keep the pressure off of your lower back. Deadlifting is a complicated lift, there are probably only two other lifts that are more complicated form wise. Squats, Deads, Cleans, Snatches, all lifts you want to get the form down 100 percent on, or else you're going to hurt yourself. |
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| Orbax |
there are two deadlifts. straight leg and bent leg. Bent leg focuses on back and straight leg focuses on hamstrings. There is no way to not use your lower back as its the fulcrum for the movement.
Squats are compression on the back, deadlifts are separation.
I agree that I didnt feel a particularly sore back from deadlifts, but as I have a crushed disc, anything that would be making my spine shift and slide like deadlifts would be best to avoid. I look for locked spine movements such as T-Bar rows where I know that the use of my spine is minimal.
Its a great exercise and I think most people should do it, just not people with lower back injuries |
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| positronicbrain |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
there are two deadlifts. straight leg and bent leg. Bent leg focuses on back and straight leg focuses on hamstrings. There is no way to not use your lower back as its the fulcrum for the movement.
Squats are compression on the back, deadlifts are separation.
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Actually both focus on your posterior chain, which is your lower back, glutes, and hamstrings. I didn't say you don't use your lower back at all on deadlifts. I said that it's not a lower back exercise, and the entire goal of doing the deadlift correctly is to take as much stress off the lower back as possible. |
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| Masonious |
Doing dead lifts when you have a ed up back is a horrible idea.
True, dead lifts are not intended to exercise the lower back however, when you're working out to gain strength or mass it is the last few reps that count. When your hamstrings and other muscles begin to lose energy other muscles invariably pick up the slack. Just one slip at the end of a dead lift and you could be out for months if not longer if you already suffer from back issues.
The risk is simply not worth the reward.
For those who have healthy backs it's an awesome exercise and highly worthwhile. |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by Masonious
Doing dead lifts when you have a ed up back is a horrible idea.
True, dead lifts are not intended to exercise the lower back however, when you're working out to gain strength or mass it is the last few reps that count. When your hamstrings and other muscles begin to lose energy other muscles invariably pick up the slack. Just one slip at the end of a dead lift and you could be out for months if not longer if you already suffer from back issues.
The risk is simply not worth the reward.
For those who have healthy backs it's an awesome exercise and highly worthwhile. |
yeah so shut the up positronic, jesus.
lol jk :p |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by Masonious
I'm at 200lbs, will be about 8 pounds lighter in 4 or 5 weeks:
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lol im a bitch
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