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Workout Thread IV (pg. 257)
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| It's often easier to gain some strength than it is to gain muscle. Some of the strength gain in weightlifting comes from your nervous system adapting to the movements, giving you increased coordination. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
It's often easier to gain some strength than it is to gain muscle. Some of the strength gain in weightlifting comes from your nervous system adapting to the movements, giving you increased coordination. |
Yeah. This is one of theories behind those freakish moments of strength people sometimes display in life-or-death situations: your muscle contains a huge amount of nerves that you don't use, and one way strength is gained is by effectively learning to use your nerves more effectively. The potential is there for them all to be utilised, and the theory is that in life-or-death situations some people use all the nervous potential of their muscles to, say, pull a car off their trapped loved ones.
I know people with smaller arms and less muscle mass than me who can lift more and do more reps than me with their arms. Strength and muscle size are not interchangable, and hypertrophic programmes favour triggering growth over improving strength.
For the record, if my "10lbs in five months" sounds excessive and unlikely, I was still only 19 when I started out and had never seriously done a muscle-gain programme before then. I gained around 25lbs in total, and I estimate at least half of that was fat gain based on calculations of body fat I made, which is consistent with the article I cited. If the article states that it's possible to gain 25lbs in your first year (and bear in mind it gets progressively more difficult to gain muscle the longer you've been doing it) then 25/12 = 2.08lbs of muscle each month. 2.08 x 5 = 10.41. Based on all that, I think 10lbs as a result of the first muscle-gain programme I've ever done coming out of my teens when I still have some growth hormones active is a plausible figure. |
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| KiNeTiC ENeRgY |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Okay mate. You clearly read all the references cited in that article:
...decided you knew more than all of them and safely dismissed them as supplement salesmen peddling bull. With the rigorous scientific argument "No, your source is wrong" no less!
Oh, and the size of a muscle and its strength are not directly proportional. |
I'm not getting paid to list sources and give advice, nor do I give a if u believe anything I say :haha: You believe your little internet article and do your thing. If you would take more time to examine the bodybuilding world, you would know it's full of misinformation. There are tons of articles with plenty of so called studies that are full of holes, but it's all usually drawn from studies that were backed and biased to sell a product. Think about it this way...if one could gain that ridiculous amount of muscle without roids in a short amount of time, we would all be huge. That is a very amusing claim, lol. I've seen claims as much as 15 lbs of muscle in 3 months as well, and it was from a so called carefully monitored study...oh yea but it was backed by Muscletech to sell u some whey protein. I challenge you to try and gain 12 lbs of lean muscle WITHOUT roids in 6 months, and I bet u fail miserably. Go get weighed in a water tank and have your REAL muscle weight and fat weights calculated, then do your regiment, and come back and post your HUGE gains, lol. I know lots of roid users as well as natural BB's and there is no way it can be done unless your a genetic freak...good luck with that.
Some of the best BB books I have ever read were books for the gear users, and they all claim ~10 lbs is about all u can do without gear. Hell even Arnold and all the roid heads of that time claimed naturally, the best the body can do is .25 lbs per week. This equates to a staggering 13 lbs a year, and under the most strictest diet and training one can do. It's NOT physically possible to force the body to add that much flesh any faster...naturally. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
Think about it this way...if one could gain that ridiculous amount of muscle without roids in a short amount of time, we would all be huge. That is a very amusing claim, lol. I've seen claims as much as 15 lbs of muscle in 3 months as well, and it was from a so called carefully monitored study...oh yea but it was backed by Muscletech to sell u some whey protein. |
Are you even listening to anything I'm saying? You can only gain at the rate at a young age when your body is still growing and when you haven't had any significant muscle gain before. That's in the first post I made. Idiot strawmen arguments like "We'd all be huge if we could grow like that" are redundant by default. Oh, and show me the product being sold in the article or its sources. What were the Journal of the American Medical Association, the New York Academy of Sciences and the European Journal of Applied Physiology trying to sell when they did those studies?
| quote: | | Some of the best BB books I have ever read were books for the gear users, and they all claim ~10 lbs is about all u can do without gear. |
Can you not see your own argument biting you in the ass? Books advocating steroid abuse saying that you can only make significant gains with steriods? Well I never! You're claiming that everyone who says you can gain more than 10lbs a year is trying to sell you supplements then you believe books openly advocating steriods saying "Steroids are the only way you can make big gains"?
More than that, "Arnold and the roid heads" (sounds like a punk band) from that time were training before the advent of HIT. A lot has changed since the days Arnie used to spend hours and hours in the gym. If you think methods have not got any more efficient since the 1960s you must be on the gear yourself. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
"Arnold and the roid heads" (sounds like a punk band) |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Yeah. This is one of theories behind those freakish moments of strength people sometimes display in life-or-death situations: your muscle contains a huge amount of nerves that you don't use, and one way strength is gained is by effectively learning to use your nerves more effectively. The potential is there for them all to be utilised, and the theory is that in life-or-death situations some people use all the nervous potential of their muscles to, say, pull a car off their trapped loved ones. |
Not really. That's more to do with Adrenaline which makes everything work above 100%.
I see where you're going with this but I think you've gone off the side a bit. Also, size doesn't always matter because a lot of it depends on how you train as well. You can train for power or you can train for resistance. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Not really. That's more to do with Adrenaline which makes everything work above 100%. |
I'm just mentioning a theory I've read. It's a theory because nobody knows for certain what happens in such moments- they're impossible to replicate in an experiment. |
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| TranceOwnsLol |
Does anyone know a program to build biceps without using weights or chinups?
Just for a beginner. |
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| chimera66 |
| why don't you want to use weights? are you just trying not to bulk up? |
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| bluE_Neon |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceOwnsLol
Does anyone know a program to build biceps without using weights or chinups?
Just for a beginner. |
Work as a laborer for bricklayers & roofers. |
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| airwalker1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceOwnsLol
Does anyone know a program to build biceps without using weights or chinups?
Just for a beginner. |
not possable dude unless you are gradually adding/stressing the chosen body part on a regular basis. then you will grow good arms and other body parts. |
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| TranceOwnsLol |
| quote: | Originally posted by chimera66
why don't you want to use weights? are you just trying not to bulk up? |
I'm still a teenager and I heard (from my mom) that lifting weights causes stunted growth? |
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