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Workout Thread IV (pg. 497)
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Gauss
Ditch it, you don't need any supplements at all. It's all marketing and most supplements are not even remotely worth the money they cost |
It was recommended by my nutritionist, actually, reason why I decided to try it before knocking it.
But, I'm going to have a word with her about it before doing that (I'm not sure if that's the sole reason why she prescribed me this supplement). I've been there for just one month and I can already see the results (lost 2 kilos in 3 weeks or so), but this Endurox thing just doesn't seem to do anything... as far as I can tell.
So, yeah, unless she can give me a very good reason, I'm following your advice. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
lol, Why this little myth still floats around is beyond me, but it does not matter what time u eat mate. Calories in vs calories out for the 24 hr period is what does. |
Yes it ing does :wtf:
Christ on a bike, I don't know where to begin with you people. Some of you need to be sat down to understand how the body works. |
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| Gauss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
It was recommended by my nutritionist, actually, reason why I decided to try it before knocking it.
But, I'm going to have a word with her about it before doing that (I'm not sure if that's the sole reason why she prescribed me this supplement). I've been there for just one month and I can already see the results (lost 2 kilos in 3 weeks or so), but this Endurox thing just doesn't seem to do anything... as far as I can tell.
So, yeah, unless she can give me a very good reason, I'm following your advice. |
Trust me, building a good physique is all about proper nutrition, training and rest.
Only "supplements" worth the money are anabolic steroids because they can help you achieve something in e.g. 6 months that would naturally take you literally 3+ years. But, of course, that's for people who compete or have reached their natural limit. I personally have no interest in that because I think I have room for at least 10 more kilograms of lean muscle mass and I'm in no hurry. |
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| KiNeTiC ENeRgY |
| quote: | Originally posted by Gauss
Then go ahead and eat a lot of simple carbohydrates before going to sleep and let me know how it works out for you in a month or two.
In other words, what you've said is only partially true. You should eat any time of the day, it's what you it that matters.
Whey and glucose is win-win combination after a workout, but very bad before going to sleep because it raises sugar levels and insulin with it.
Unneeded energy will be stored to fat, especially with high levels of insulin which will also hinder secretion of growth hormone during sleep.
A lot better choice would be casein (found in cottage cheese) for its slow absorption (~5 hours) and some good fats (such as almonds) to slow it down even more.
This is done to keep muscles supplied with protein during night and prevent catabolism.
Those are pretty much the basics. |
I appreciate the lecture but your wrong mate. Sorry, been in this game longer than u I'm sure, and u clearly need to read more into nutrition. It's OK TO EAT CARBS BEFORE BED! You're quoting out of the Vitamin Shoppe catalog. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Gauss
Trust me, building a good physique is all about proper nutrition, training and rest. |
I do, and I know you're right there. If anything, my sin is that I've got a very messy sleep cycle.
By the way, how long does it take to have a "nice" body? I've been working out for a year or so, and I'm half satisfied with it... it's just my belly (and pretty much nothing else) that bothers me. Even though everyone I know tells me I'm thinner, and my stomach is in fact 10 cm smaller in diameter =/ |
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| Gauss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
I do, and I know you're right there. If anything, my sin is that I've got a very messy sleepy cycle.
By the way, how long does it take to have a "nice" body? I've been working out for a year or so, and I'm half satisfied with it... it's just my belly (and pretty much nothing else) that bothers me. Even though everyone I know tells me I'm thinner, and my stomach is in fact 10 cm smaller in diameter =/ |
It depends on a lot of things, really. Too individual to give you even a rough estimate.
| quote: | Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
I appreciate the lecture but your wrong mate. Sorry, been in this game longer than u I'm sure, and u clearly need to read more into nutrition. It's OK TO EAT CARBS BEFORE BED! You're quoting out of the Vitamin Shoppe catalog. |
You're full of , as usual.
Unless you're a genetic freak, carbs before sleeping will make you accumulate fat in the long run. Carbs are fast energy, fat is slow energy. Unneeded energy is stored in fat. You don't need fast energy when going to sleep. It's really that simple.
Get your straight.
Oh, and I've seen your pictures. You can come back down to the ground now, you really have nothing to back your attitude up. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Gauss
It depends on a lot of things, really. Too individual to give you even a rough estimate. |
I came to that conclusion after I posted my question... but, meh, I think I'm just anxious, and because I tend to sometimes miss the point (I should not work out because I want to look good: I work out because I like it, and that should be more than enough, the rest is just the juicy bonus :D). |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
I appreciate the lecture but your wrong mate. Sorry, been in this game longer than u I'm sure, and u clearly need to read more into nutrition. It's OK TO EAT CARBS BEFORE BED! You're quoting out of the Vitamin Shoppe catalog. |
The game? :stongue: :stongue: :stongue:
Do you even understand how the body utilises carbs? Do you understand where protein goes? Are you aware of the different types of fats and what each one does? How much do you know about water intake and where your body uses it? Can you explain to me the role of vitamins and essential minerals? Do you understand what your brain is wired to do when you're hungry? |
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| Gauss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
The game? :stongue: :stongue: :stongue:
Do you even understand how the body utilises carbs? Do you understand where protein goes? Are you aware of the different types of fats and what each one does? How much do you know about water intake and where your body uses it? Can you explain to me the role of vitamins and essential minerals? Do you understand what your brain is wired to do when you're hungry? |
Exactly.
Fledz, vidim da si 2 godine stariji od mene, dakle jos si na faksu po nekim pravilima. :D Sta studiras? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
Most carbohydrate is not stored as fat regardless of when you eat it, unless you are eating a huge amount of carbs.
"De novo lipogenesis" is the term for the conversion of carbohydrate directly into body fat, and it is not all that common. Instead, with high carb consumption the body uses the carbs for energy and then stores dietary fat as body fat -- since it is not needed for energy, which the carbs are providing. It is not that "carbs make you fat" directly, but that by providing an energy surplus they stimulate your body to store dietary fat as body fat. See this paper for more info:
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/74/6/707
| quote: | Because storage of energy as lipid is much more efficient than storage as carbohydrate, the presumption has been that animals use de novo lipogenesis as a metabolic safety valve for storage of carbohydrate energy present in excess of carbohydrate oxidative needs (ie, carbohydrate energy surplus). On the basis of this presumed role, inhibitors of de novo lipogenesis [such as (–)hydroxycitrate, an inhibitor of ATP citrate (pro-S)-lyase] have received attention as potential therapeutic agents for obesity and hyperlipidemia.
Most experimental data in humans, however, contradict this view of the function of de novo lipogenesis. Initial studies in which indirect calorimetry was used showed little or no net de novo lipogenesis after short-term carbohydrate overfeeding (1). Subsequent isotopic studies confirmed the absence of quantitatively significant flux through hepatic de novo lipogenesis under most conditions of carbohydrate energy surplus (2,3). |
From this it follows, of course, that it is perfectly fine to eat some carbs before bed as long as you don't eat a ton of them and don't eat much fat along with them. |
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| Gauss |
| What do you consider "huge amount of carbs"? I personally eat 500 grams a day. ;) |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| How much is too much will also depend on your energy expenditure, which I imagine is rather high in your case. |
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